Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Humanities/2023 January 11

= January 11 =

Haiti
from news headlines, I've heard that Haiti has very tragic problems right now, and no elected officials. Is there a any procedure or "protocol" set up at the United Nations or at the Organization of American States or elsewhere to help with this? Thanks Rich (talk) 01:06, 11 January 2023 (UTC)


 * The situation in Haiti has been going downhill for a while, and the 2010 earthquake and the 2021 president assassination were highly negative events, but there's also a long sad history of international interventions in Haiti with minimal positive effects, and the last big one, "MINUSTAH", mainly spread cholera into Haiti... AnonMoos (talk) 01:23, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Link: United Nations Stabilisation Mission in Haiti. --Lambiam 09:57, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Per both of the above, it's not that there don't exist international organizations that could help. Such organizations do exist, they did intervene, and they pretty much unequivocally made things worse.  After the United Nations Stabilisation Mission in Haiti introduced cholera to Haiti, see 2010s Haiti cholera outbreak.  When people show up to help, and then infect hundreds of thousands of your people with a painful, debilitating disease, you're unlikely to reach out for help again.  Haiti does have major internal political problems right now, but the efficacy of any international efforts to help stabilize the country were basically sabotaged a decade ago by MINUSTAH.  The UN is still involved in a limited capacity in Haiti, see Special Representative of the UN Secretary-General for Haiti for what little information there is at Wikipedia.  -- Jayron 32 17:21, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
 * thanks, good answers107.3.112.138 (talk) 03:58, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Second Amendment to the Constitution of Pakistan
This article says that all members of scheduled castes are designated as non-Muslims. (1) The scheduled caste article covers a legal status in India and doesn't mention Pakistan, although because the concept was created in the Empire in 1937, it existed in today's Pakistan for ten years. Does the concept still exist in Pakistani law, i.e. the article needs to be expanded, or is this just a historical reference meant to cover people alive in 1974 who had been in the scheduled castes? (2) Why can't members of these castes be Muslims, and what happens if such a person desires to convert to Islam? Is this conversion legally impossible (if so, why?), or does the person cease to belong to the caste in question? Caste system in Pakistan doesn't exist, and unsurprisingly, Caste system in India doesn't talk much about Pakistan, although it does speak of some Muslims as belonging to castes, so it's not solely a Hindu concept. 120.21.59.182 (talk) 09:17, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
 * So, there used to be an article titled Scheduled Caste Federation of Pakistan which was deleted back in 2010 as a copyvio, but has never been recreated. For some reason, it currently redirects to the Government of Pakistan page, but reading the deleted article (which I can as an admin), it seems to have been about a separate organization that represented specifically lower-caste Hindus who lived in Pakistan.  So it appears that "scheduled castes" is another term for Dalit, even within Pakistan.  -- Jayron 32 12:08, 11 January 2023 (UTC)


 * "In 1956, Pakistan’s then government had declared up to 32 castes and tribes as scheduled castes in the country. Majority of them are lower Hindu castes such as Kolhi, Menghwar, Bheel, Bagri, Balmiki, Jogi and Oad. Even in the census, they are counted separately from Hindus (Jatis)", and see also Dalit Sujag Tehreek. Also looks like it may contain some useful information. DuncanHill (talk) 15:25, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Article 204 of the 1956 Constitution of Pakistan said "The castes, races and tribes, and parts or groups within castes, races and tribes which, immediately before the Constitution Day constituted the Scheduled Castes within the meaning of the Fifth Schedule to the Government of India Act, 1935, shall, for the purposes of the Constitution, be deemed to be the Scheduled Castes until Parliament by law otherwise provides". DuncanHill (talk) 15:29, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

The writings of Maximillian Kolbe against the Polish National Catholic Church
Apparently I heard that St. Kolbe was very staunchly against the PNCC in Poland, and I wanted to see if there existed any original source materials in Polish that discuss his attitudes or are part of his original written work. I would have tried the Polish Wikipedia Reference Desk, but I found out that their reference desk has been closed since 2008. Can someone here help with this research request. 142.127.187.55 (talk) 19:55, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Have you ruled out all the sources in the Polish wiki article? Don't want to duplicate your work. It says all his diaries and letters are published, though it looks like you'll need to do library requests. 70.67.193.176 (talk) 15:54, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Presumably, Kolbe also wrote articles or a column for Rycerz Niepokalanej. Unless there is a good index, you may need to go through over 200 issues. --Lambiam 01:02, 14 January 2023 (UTC)