Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Humanities/2023 June 27

= June 27 =

Question for American and European Christians
Before I ask this, I want to say that I believe in God. I respect other religions. But I need to know from Christians in the USA, Canada, and Europe whether this happens in the churches of their country. I have not seen such in Hollywood movies or any TV series. Such videos are regularly appearing on social media and all look similar.

See this video. This looks like touching the head gives an electric shock.

https://twitter.com/ikpsgill1/status/1673224845432324097

Curing cancer- https://twitter.com/noconversion/status/1673340840612077569

The way women are rolling on the ground like drugged. I do not see this in Hollywood movies, where I see a group of people sitting inside church and praying.

https://twitter.com/noconversion/status/1673340589310459904

The woman is cured by some pastor or father.

https://twitter.com/noconversion/status/1672821184788848640

Prpohet Bajinder Singh cured a couple from aids

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdMvOScTJG0

My main question is not about the healers. I have read about some healers who claim to cure people's diseases through prayers. My main curiosity is about the videos where a group of people is standing in a queue and the pastor or father is touching their head. They get some kind of shock, fall to the ground and then start shaking like getting shock or in some trance.

Does this happen in other countries? Okswimfan (talk) 14:55, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * That's usually a feature of Pentecostal churches which practice faith healing. It is found in other countries; for example Scott Morrison, former prime minister of Australia is a believer. Abductive  (reasoning) 17:29, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

So this happens in Pentecostal churches in other countries?

https://twitter.com/ikpsgill1/status/1673224845432324097 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Okswimfan (talk • contribs) 17:35, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, it says so in the linked articles. I don't think it happens in all Pentecostal churches. Abductive  (reasoning) 19:54, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * This and related behaviours are a major distinguishing point between Pentecostal and non-Pentecostal churches; as Abductive notes, probably you'll find some Pentecostal churches that don't engage in it, but a belief in continued prophecy and miracles (continuationism) is what sets Pentecostals and Charismatics apart from other Protestants. In American Protestantism, and in countries where American Protestantism has a heavy influence in the local Protestant culture, it's very common to find independent churches (i.e. they make their own rules and don't answer to anyone else), and many of them have adopted some Pentecostal/Charismatic aspects, even if they don't call themselves Pentecostal/Charismatic.  Nyttend (talk) 21:53, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Who elected Plebeian Aediles?
Hi, I have a question that is puzzling me for quite some time. In different scientific papers there are different, conflicting information about which assembly voted for plebeian aediles - in some papers there is information that they were chosen by comitia tributa and in some there is information that they were elected by concilia plebis. What's make it more problematic is that in some sources concilia plebis is called comitia tributa plebis, and because of that some (example) think that it is the same as comitia tributa, but others think that there is distinction between comitia tributa plebis (comitia plebis), and comitia tributa populi.

Because of this problem I edited Aediles article on wikipedia (in election section), but then I started to realise that I can't find what is the true answer. Prkp99 (talk) 15:37, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * It depends on which era of Roman History you are talking about. Blueboar (talk) 20:26, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Republic, it's quite clear that I'm talking about republic, as in the principate assemblies were reduced and disappeared. Whole republican period, from creation of plebeian aediles in the times of first secession, to the start of Augustus reign as a princpes. Prkp99 (talk) 12:45, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Before or after 471 BCE? (Reading the article on the Plebeian Council, it appears that there was a shift in structure at that date… this could account for the shift in terminology). Blueboar (talk) 12:53, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Plebeian Aedile was created around 480 BCE, after first secession or short time before it. Prkp99 (talk) 15:28, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Pre-revolutionary Communists
Is there a term (particularly one with an article) for the Chinese analogue to Old Bolsheviks? Or anything comparable for Communists in other states? Old Bolshevik has only one link to a comparable article, and it's non-Communist: Alter Kämpfer, the analogous group in the Nazi Party. Nyttend (talk) 21:46, 27 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Chiang Kai-shek, Mao Zedong, and others repeatedly purged the old guard, which seems to be a characteristic of Old Bolsheviks: they fall from favor. See Socialist ideology of the Kuomintang and Tongmenghui. Some founders of the CCP (e.g., Li Lisan were among those purged. DOR (ex-HK) (talk) 04:21, 28 June 2023 (UTC)


 * There also were the Kuomintang massacres, after desastrous communist uprisings in Shanghai in 1927 and Kanton/Guangzhou Uprising in December 1927. - My memory is not what it was, but have a look at the Mao- biography of Jung Chang and Jon Halliday. Simon Leys has a remark somewhere about the rise of Mao due in part to those white-terror killings off of CCP elite. And Chang/Halliday(?) write, that Zhou En-Lai was compromised forever due to his role in the failed Comintern China strategy.--Ralfdetlef (talk) 16:36, 3 July 2023 (UTC)