Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Humanities/2023 June 28

= June 28 =

adultery rate by country
I tried to sift through adultery, but except a few examples (Thailand, Denmark) could not find a comprehensive listing. Is it hiding somewhere? Zarnivop (talk) 01:09, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
 * It might depend on definition. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:45, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
 * So does, for example, rape. Yet there is a comprehensive table. The definition is usually taken from the local law. It may be that the list is hiding under some naming I didn't think of. It will be very weird if we don't have it. Zarnivop (talk) 02:16, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
 * In America, rape is a crime, while adultery, in general, is not, or at least is not enforced. It would be necessary for someone to sift through divorce proceedings and see how many of them charge adultery - assuming that's even public information. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:29, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
 * And that would only show adultery that was cited in a divorce case. Alansplodge (talk) 12:52, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
 * After sifting for some hour and a half through Goggle and Google Scholar, I found no reliable sources. I tend to believe there is no such thing.
 * I suppose the most reliable way would be to cross this with genetic tests during pregnancy and the official spouse of the mother. Weird that I couldn't find anything like this. This is a central issue with a hefty chunk of relationships. Zarnivop (talk) 11:51, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Perhaps because most people in Western cultures would regard that sort of thing as a gross violation of personal privacy, and in many countries I suspect conducting such a survey would be actively illegal.
 * I have seen scientific estimations based on non-released, non comprehensive data that suggest 5–10% of people in, for example, the UK do not have the biological fathers they think they do – imagine the levels of distress that would be caused to families and particularly children if all these instances became known. In the UK I believe some basic lessons in genetic inheritance (such as eye colour and chemical taste abilities) were withdrawn from the school curricula because they could potentially lead to revelations of unsuspected non-paternity. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.197.177.243 (talk) 13:34, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I can confirm, having worked in a school in the early 1980s, that blood group tests were removed from Biology for exactly this reason. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 08:20, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
 * It is not a crime in any European country (see Adultery laws). In many Western countries, a partner filing for divorce because of their spouse's infidelity will give "irretrievable breakdown" as the ground. Even if people have attempted to come up with statistical estimates, the date will not be comparable with crime statistics in countries were adultery is a crime. --Lambiam 16:24, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I remember reading an article about this on the science page of my newspaper a few years ago. Researchers looked for random men with the same, uncommon, family name. Chances were pretty high that these men were related. Through birth and marriage records, they found how they were related through a common ancestor in the male line, up to about 7 generations back. Then they compared the DNA of the Y chromosome to see if they were indeed related as the records showed, or if in at least one of the up to 14 links adultery had occurred. I forgot the exact number, but adultery appeared to happen in a few percent of the births, less commonly than gossip claims. And the number has remained fairly constant over the last 200 years. (Edit: This was in a Dutch newspaper, NRC. I think the research was also conducted in the Netherlands.) PiusImpavidus (talk) 08:13, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
 * But none of this (apparently pointless) research would identify adultury which did not result in live births. Contraception has been around for a while. Alansplodge (talk) 12:24, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
 * It is plausible to assume that couples who are "committing adultery" may be more diligent in using effective contraception than those couples who engage in intercourse as legal spouses. Cullen328 (talk) 08:27, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Flag of Denmark
I read that if Danish people in Denmark burn the flag of Denmark in Denmark there are no problem, and if someone burn foreign flags in Denmark there are politic problems with that country. I have a simple question. If foreign people burn flag of Denmark in Denmark, there is problems with country with the country of the foreign people (for example Dutch people that burn Danish flag in Denmark, could be problems between Denmark and Nederlands?)? At the same mode Dutch people that burn Dutch flag in Denmark, there are problems too? 62.18.81.27 (talk) 18:19, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
 * My understanding (which could be inaccurate) is that it does not matter who is burning the flags… but which flags are being burned. It’s legal to burn the Danish flag in Denmark, but not legal to burn the flags of other countries. Blueboar (talk) 18:36, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
 * As stated at the top of this page, we cannot offer you legal advice. Consult a lawyer. Shantavira|feed me 08:29, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
 * They are not asking for legal advice. --Viennese Waltz 08:32, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

ACW: When was this? Fall 1862?
When Andrew Johnson's son Robert Johnson (Tennessee) died in 1869 an Ohio paper wrote "When he was with Gen. George W. Morgan's army, between Portland and Gallipolis, the military authorities forbade every doggery keeper on the road letting him have any liquor, on account of his violent character when drunk." (Jackson Standard, Jackson, Ohio, May 5, 1869) I think based on reading James Patton Brownlow this was basically Octoberish 1862? Just trying to get some background on when/why so I can contextualize for the reader. Any guidance on where to look? TIA jengod (talk) 23:06, 28 June 2023 (UTC)


 * This was during Morgan's Raid of July 1863. This source would make it July 18–19. --Lambiam 14:19, 29 June 2023 (UTC)  Oops, different Morgan, fighting on the Confederate side.  --Lambiam 14:33, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
 * This source would make it October 21, 1862. --Lambiam 14:38, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
 * OMG you are amazing @Lambiam. Bravo. Thank you. jengod (talk) 19:47, 29 June 2023 (UTC)