Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Humanities/2023 May 13

= May 13 =

Argue like you're right, listen like you're wrong
I heard an author on the radio mention a quote from her friend, Karl E. Weick. It's a good quote I'd like to add to his bio or wikiquote page, but I'm having trouble finding the original source document.

In The No Asshole Rule, Robert I. Sutton writes it as "Fight as if you are right, listen as if you are wrong." With a free preview in Google Books I can see he cites Weick's Small Wins paper but I don't have access to that paper to see if the quote is there or if that cite is supporting something else. I also wanted to make sure I got the original wording exactly.

Can anyone access these sources or put their finger on the original document? Thanks! -- Beland (talk) 07:45, 13 May 2023 (UTC)


 * If nobody can help you here, you might try the WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request. Alansplodge (talk) 15:39, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
 * "Small Wins: Redefining the Scale of Social Problems", don't see the quote. The No Asshole Rule doesn't have citations, only "Further Reading".
 * To paraphrase a primary theme in Karl Weick’s classic book, The Social Psychology of Organizing,11 this approach means learning to “argue as if you are right and to listen as if you are wrong." em and link added. fiveby(zero) 18:52, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I see the maxim, attributed to Weick, mainly given in one of two versions:
 * Argue as if you’re right; listen as if you’re wrong.
 * Fight as if you are right; listen as if you are wrong.
 * The second version is sometimes identified as having been passed along by Sutton. However, Sutton himself presents the maxim in a blog post of 2007 as a newly found belief in the form Argue as if you are right, listen as if you are wrong, adding "(thanks to Karl Weick)". It can easily be interpreted as a literal quotation instead of a paraphrasing.  --Lambiam 19:15, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
 * No halfway competent reader could admit that is not a paraphrase. fiveby(zero) 21:14, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah, I don't see those words in Weick's book, so it sounds like Sutton distilled Weick's ideas into a nice phrase. I'll update the article accordingly. Thanks for your help! -- Beland (talk) 20:31, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh, i was just joking with as in i only read the first part of the quote, so had to argue. Probably paraphrased, but i didn't track down every Weick article. fiveby(zero) 20:47, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Case Closed
For the model's painting in episode 8, can you find the name and author? Thank you. -- 193.207.129.171
 * Do you mean the picture with a knife down his throat? It doesn't look like an existing painting, although the style reminds me of some of Edvard Munch's portraits: he has painted a number of these with the model standing straight like the person in the picture, in a stiff pose, and pictured head to foot with a minimal background (do an image search for "Munch full-length portrait" to see examples). Most painters tend to portray their models from the waist up, so Munch stands out in using a different approach. Xuxl (talk) 21:14, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I mean the one with archangel Michael as explained on "trivia" in that site. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.207.206.144 (talk) 21:40, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Could you link to a picture? Xuxl (talk) 14:29, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I think he's talking about the one in the infobox, but it links to a site which requires a login. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:47, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
 * This time it worked. Try . ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:49, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Or maybe it's this one. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:52, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help Bugs; I think the OP refers to the first one you linked to. The picture looks like nothing familiar from the Western art canon, but more like something you'd see in a 1960s or 1970s science fiction graphic novel, in the style of Philippe Druillet and some of his peers. Xuxl (talk) 14:34, 15 May 2023 (UTC)