Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Humanities/2023 November 15

= November 15 =

In what building was the Kyoto Protocol convention held?
"The Protocol was adopted at the third session of the Conference of the Parties to the 1992 United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (“the Convention”), held at Kyoto (Japan) from 1 to 11 December 1997." -

Where did they host that convention in Kyoto? HenryMP02 (talk) 04:49, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


 * See Kyoto International Conference Center. --Cookatoo.ergo.ZooM (talk) 07:12, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you! HenryMP02 (talk) 23:42, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Antoine Louis Marie de Gramont, 8th Duke of Gramont
In 1830, after the July Revolution, too old to exiled himself, he retreated to private life. He did oath to the usurpator Louis Philippe I's new gouvernment and remained in the Chamber. In reality, was remained loyal to Charles X and the exiled Bourbons until his death? -- Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.5.72.177 (talk) 08:53, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Who knows what he believed in his heart of hearts, but he did swear allegiance to the new regime and served in its parliament, so if he was still loyal to the Bourbons, it was not overtly. Nor was Charles X the type of monarch who would inspire undying loyalty in anyone. Also note that he wasn't particularly active as a Senator post 1830, although that may partially be because he was no spring chicken by then, having turned 75 in 1830. Xuxl (talk) 16:07, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok, but can you search if there are some sources about my question? Thank you. 87.15.239.253 (talk) 16:20, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Given that this is a historical French person, would not responders at the French Wikipedia, presumably better able to find and read French-language sources, be more likely to be able to help you? Or have you also asked there? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.2.5.208 (talk) 19:32, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, can you search even French sources? 87.2.233.246 (talk) 21:05, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * In theory, but personally, since I can speak and read only rudimentary French, it would be extremely difficult. The same will be true for most responders at this English-Language Wikipedia: that is why I suggest you ask at the French-language Wikipedia where, obviously, the responders all speak and read French, and will be far more familiar with French historical texts and sources.
 * Of course, it's possible that an editor fluent in French and familiar with French historical sources will see your request here and respond to it, but the chance is probably small and certainly much smaller than at French Wikipedia. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.2.5.208 (talk) 02:23, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Please, can you help me? Thank you. 95.233.237.174 (talk) 10:11, 16 November 2023 (UTC)


 * 87.5.72.177/87.15.239.253/95.233.237.174 -- There's a page fr:Wikip%C3%A9dia:Ambassade for English-speakers to interact with those involved with French Wikipedia, but I'm not sure how your query would be received there. In my limited experience on French Wikipedia, my attempts at French (which I'm sure were rather foreign sounding if I tried to go beyond simple basic sentences, but which obeyed most rules of basic grammar) were not criticized, since I was obviously trying to bring relevant facts to the attention of people there, but French-language speakers are known for sometimes being quite snooty with people whom they don't perceive to be making a credible effort. In any case, expecting others to do most of your work for you is not very appealing... AnonMoos (talk) 10:50, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Can you search in English? 95.233.237.174 (talk) 10:54, 16 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I did check French sources and reported on what I found. This includes his biography on the French Senate site and the linked list of interventions by senators for the period in which you are interested.  His papers are available at the French National Archives, but again nothing there seems to shed more light on your specific question. You seem to be singularly ungrateful of any work done by voluntary researchers to help get answers to your questions, as this far from the first time that your only reaction to a response to one of your questions, such a response resulting from significant research I may add, is only greeted by your saying "can you search some more". Xuxl (talk) 15:41, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok, closed. 193.207.97.255 (talk) 18:40, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Mika Muramatsu
Please, can you help me to find other info and reliable sources? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.5.72.177 (talk) 08:58, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


 * There's not much in English except that her name appears in connection with the film Yellow Fangs. Does she have an article on the Japanese Wikipedia? Alansplodge (talk) 20:02, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * ja:村松美香 87.15.239.253 (talk) 20:24, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * That article seems to have been flagged as having no references, so a bit of a dead end. Alansplodge (talk) 13:39, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * In alternative, can you see if it's just possible to create Mika Muramatsu? Thank you. 87.2.233.246 (talk) 21:01, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * That is not a viable alternative. Creating the article is a futile exercise: it will be deleted for not satisfying the criteria by which a subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. A lasting article requires references that establish she satisfies the criteria of WP:NACTOR. --Lambiam 23:50, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Then, can you help me to find other info and reliable sources, and added them here? Thank you. 193.207.116.105 (talk) 07:27, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The apparent lack of anything useful in either English or Japanese sugests that actually, she really isn't notable enough for a Wikipedia article. Alansplodge (talk) 13:39, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok, closed. 193.207.181.182 (talk) 14:40, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Airlines that overfly Russian airspace without landing
Hi. Currently countries fall into a couple of different categories:

1. Russia has banned these countries from operating flights over Russian airspace (e.g. US)

2. These countries has banned its own airlines from operating over Russian airspace (e.g. US)

3. These countries have at least one airline that operate flights over Russian airspace (e.g. Israel)

4. These countries have at least one airline that operate flights over Russian airspace, but without any destinations in Russia (e.g. Singapore)

(I know there's a difference between an aircraft that's "owned by A", "registered in A", and "controlled by A", but I'm oversimplifying here since it's messy enough already.)

If my logic is correct, 4 is a subset of 3, and 3 is mutually exclusive with 1 and 2.

Is there a site out there with a full list of countries for category 3 and 4?

I found the examples above by googling "airline overfly Russia", and manually checking the results, but this method is less than reliable. Liberté2 (talk) 19:35, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


 * WHICH AIRLINES STILL FLY IN TO RUSSIAN AIRSPACE?. Alansplodge (talk) 13:27, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Salis-Samade Regiment
Who was the commander of that royal Swiss Army in July 1789, when it was send to Paris? Its owner was Vincenz Guido von Salis (1708-1794), but the one who commanded it during that campaign in Paris was Niklaus Franz von Bachmann or his older brother Karl Josef von Bachmann? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.15.239.253 (talk) 20:26, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Have you find something? I'm waiting an answer from you. 193.207.146.179 (talk) 08:21, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * In the French Wikipedia article, the last commander of that regiment to be listed is Vincent Guy, baron de Salis Samade, from April 7, 1782. Other sources confirm that he was dismissed on August 20, 1792, when the regiment was dissolved by the National Assembly. He is also known as Vincenz Guido (German form of his two names). His dates appear to have been 1708-1794 although he also had a son with basically the same name and there is some confusion between the two. Other sources confirm that 33 men from the regiment were present during the storming of the Bastille, including their commander, lieutenant de Flue.  That officer has an article in the German Wikipedia under his full name, Ludwig von Flüe  and that article contains a number of other links. Xuxl (talk) 17:45, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * With regard to Niklaus Franz von Bachmann, the article in the French Wikipedia does not mention a connection with the Swiss regiment, whereas the article on his brother Karl Josef von Bachmann  states that he was commander of the Swiss Guard at the Storming of the Tuileries Palace in 1792, and was condemned to the guillotine for his role in the massacre perpetrated that day. Xuxl (talk) 17:52, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Indeed, that was its owner, but I asked who of those two brothers commanded it during the campaign in Paris on July 1789, and send 33 of his men to the Bastille. Von Flue was under Niklaus until the regiment's dissolvement in 1792: https://aquitania-memoria.com/art-et-histoire/regiment-suisse-de-salis-samade-1792/. 193.207.99.129 (talk) 17:55, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I saw that document as well, which is dated Sept. 21, 1792 - i.e. after the storming of the Tuileries and Karl Josef's arrest. I expect his brother took over for him after his arrest to take care of administrative matters related to the dissolution of the regiment. Xuxl (talk) 01:13, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It was Nicolas-François de Bachmann: https://www.google.it/books/edition/A_la_m%C3%A9moire_du_baron_Nicolas_Fran%C3%A7ois/FEvvaJyjgksC?hl=it&gbpv=1&dq=Nicolas+Bachmann+-+Salis-Samade+-+1789&pg=PA14&printsec=frontcover, https://www.google.it/books/edition/Biographie_des_hommes_vivants_etc_With_p/ooqlrj9cns8C?hl=it&gbpv=1&dq=Nicolas+Bachmann+-+Salis-Samade+-+1789&pg=PA163&printsec=frontcover. 79.16.244.15 (talk) 10:37, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The document you link says it was Charles (i.e. Karl); see p. 12. Xuxl (talk) 14:34, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * That was for the supreme War council, not the regiment. 193.207.116.100 (talk) 16:35, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

French Guards Regiment
Can you help me to find a site with the full list of all high ranked noble officers until July 1789? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.207.97.214 (talk) 23:36, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The article on the French Wikipedia is quite detailed and includes a list of commanding officers. Xuxl (talk) 15:51, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I didn't refer only the commanders, but also the other high ranked officer under them. 193.207.181.182 (talk) 16:44, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Have you find something? I'm waiting an answer from you. 79.16.108.105 (talk) 11:31, 18 November 2023 (UTC)