Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Humanities/2023 November 18

= November 18 =

US president on foreign commercial flight
Hi. Korean Air Lines Flight 007 says:

The Soviets contended former U.S. president Richard Nixon was to have been seated next to Larry McDonald on KAL 007 but that the CIA warned him not to go, according to the New York Post and Telegraph Agency of the Soviet Union (TASS); this was denied by Nixon.

President Richard Nixon regularly flew on (US) commercial flights according to Executive One. Many other US presidents also flew commercial, just not as common as Nixon.

But did any US president ever fly on a commercial flight operated by a foreign airline? Liberté2 (talk) 01:44, 18 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I guess you mean "former US president" since by 1983 Nixon had been out of office for close to a decade. Given how extensively some former presidents have traveled worldwide (I'm thinking specifically of Jimmy Carter here), it wouldn't surprise me that some of these places cannot be reached on U.S. airlines, but I don't have any direct evidence. Xuxl (talk) 14:24, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Oops, I totally missed the "former" part there. "Does former presidents take foreign commercial flights" isn't too interesting of a question, and is probably a definite yes (I don't have any evidence either).
 * But "did any sitting presidents take foreign commercial flights" is still an interesting question, and could go either way. So I'll leave the question up unchanged. Liberté2 (talk) 05:50, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I would be very surprised if you could find evidence of a sitting president taking a commercial flight, especially on a non-US airline. That's why they have Air Force One, and there's also the matter of the extensive United States Secret Service protective detail that accompanies the President everywhere, as well as others (see nuclear football). Xuxl (talk) 14:40, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * For evidence of a sitting president taking a commercial flight, just peruse Executive One. This was not regularly done though – unlike what is suggested in the OP – but a one-off thing. --Lambiam 22:09, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Hindu terrorism
Expert warns of impending `genocide' of Muslims in India

[https://bridge.georgetown.edu/research/is-a-genocide-of-muslims-underway-in-india/ IS A GENOCIDE OF MUSLIMS UNDERWAY IN INDIA? ]

U.S. Congresswoman Ilhan Omar's 'Muslim Genocide In India Soon' rant sparks fury I Details

If any community is facing genocide they will decrease in number but Indian Muslims have increased from 10% in 1951 to 15% in 2021.

As per American media, British media, and politicians, India is full of Hindu terrorists and Hindutva radicals who are going to kill all 200 million Muslims in India.

There are above 3 million Hindus in the United States, than one million in the UK. There are millions of Hindus working in Muslim Gulf countries. If Hindus were so dangerous and religious bigots then there would have been at least a few Hindu terror attacks in the USA, Canada, Europe, and Arab countries like Islamist terror attacks that happened in the USA, UK, France, and Belgium.

Wikipedia has two categories Category:Islamic_terrorism_in_India and Category:Violence_against_Hindus_in_India

Why do American politicians selectively avoid speaking about attacks against Hindus in India? Vampswefg (talk) 03:46, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Who says so? <-Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots-> 05:01, 18 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Vampswefg: There were plenty of terrorist attacks by Hindus in Ceylon / Sri Lanka -- in fact, they pioneered suicide terrorism. Narendra Modi's regime is accused of state oppression, not terrorism.  I'm ordinarily rather skeptical of "genocide" claims when the population is increasing, but Uyghurs in China would be an exception. AnonMoos (talk) 07:18, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * AnonMoos If you are talking about Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam, the wikipedia page don't mention the group as Hindu terrorists. --Vampswefg (talk) 02:38, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Vampswefg, from out Tamils article: "The vast majority of Tamil people are Hindus".Alansplodge (talk) 22:17, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Alansplodge The Wikipedia articles states that their Ideology	was Tamil nationalism,Separatism, Revolutionary socialism, Secularism. And this line is added in the article Although most Tigers were Hindus, the LTTE was an avowedly secular organisation; religion did not play any significant part in its ideology.. The question I aksed was that even though USA and Europe did not face any Hindu terror attacks, still their media always focus on Hindu fundamentalism in India, ignoring the attacks on Hindus in Kashmir, West Bengal, Kerala, Tamil Nadu. I have read many opinion pieces by USA media about Hindu fundamentalism. But I haven't seen Ilhan Omar, Barack Obama, Bernie Sandenrs condemning  Category:Islamic_terrorism_in_India and Category:Violence_against_Hindus_in_India. As per them religious violence in India is one-sided. Why, Barack Obama, Ilhan Omar, opinion piece writers of NyTimes, washingtonPost, CNN, The Atlantic, TIME magazine, The Guardian never condemns Murder of Kanhaiya Lal, Murder of Umesh Kolhe, Murder of Kishan Bharvad, Kamlesh Tiwari, Murder of Vishwanath Shetty, murders by Al Ummah? --Vampswefg (talk) 01:30, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Vampswefg, the English Wikipedia is responsible for neither American politicians nor American news outlets. We have Category:Hindu terrorist incidents, Category:Hindu terrorism, Category:Hinduism-motivated violence in India, Category:Persecution by Hindus, each of which is a subcategory of the next. If you have an issue with how Wikipedia portrays religious violence in any of our articles, you're welcome to bring it up on the appropriate Talk: pages, but please don't complain to us about bias in media or politics. Folly Mox (talk) 03:52, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * In the first place, the American news media pays very little attention to India, so your claim otherwise is laughable. In the second, American voters who are not from that part of the world generally don't give a rat's ass about India (hence the media's lack of coverage), so politicians don't either. Clarityfiend (talk) 12:05, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * This is WP:NOTAFORUM. Either ask a research question or ask elsewhere. Remsense  聊  12:07, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Count Gabriel-Michel de Vassan
Can you help me to find detailed info about that noble against the General States at Versailles in June 23, 1789? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.16.108.105 (talk) 11:17, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Whatever his role in the Estates General may have been, besides being a member of the Nobility, one of the three Estates, it seems to have left little trace. Not surprisingly, he was not one of the 47 members of the Nobility who defected to the Third estate. The only mentions regarding him are that he was one of numerous noblemen who were Émigrés during the Revolution; there are no indications that he exercised any king of leadership role. His personal papers are in the French National Archives (see on page 5) however their contents do not seem to hold anything of interest, only property deeds and the like. That's about all I can find about him. Xuxl (talk) 14:47, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * No, he was the commandant of the Royal guards that were send to bandish the Third Estate rapresentants who had remained here against the king's orders. 193.207.143.0 (talk) 15:00, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Please, Xuxl, can you help me also with "Salis-Samade Regiment" and "French Guards Regiment"? Thank you. 193.207.143.0 (talk) 15:10, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I found info relative to the Salis-Samade Regiment, which I've added under that topic, but the second question falls outside my area of expertise. I have no idea where one could search for such granular information, outside of a detailed history of that military unit. Xuxl (talk) 01:16, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Another snippet is here; he was accused of requesting ammunition on 12 July 1789, presumably to arm his troops to supress the revolution. Alansplodge (talk) 21:35, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * This page lists him in 1789 as a First Lieutenant of Grenadiers in the Garde de la prévôté de l'Hôtel (French WP article), so not a very high-ranking officer, just the one who was on door duty on 20 July, when he wouldn't allow the deputies into the assembly hall, so they went off to the Tennis Court instead. Alansplodge (talk) 22:08, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok, closed. 193.207.176.73 (talk) 23:20, 19 November 2023 (UTC)