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= November 23 =

Cardinal de Rohan (1734-1803)
On June 23, 1789, when the King Louis XVI ordered to the Estates General to left their places, was he one of the members of the Clergy who followed that order or remain here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.207.117.94 (talk) 11:59, 23 November 2023 (UTC)


 * A list of members of the Assemblée constituante can be found on the French Wikipedia . Of 291 Clergy members at the Estates General, only 19 were selected to join the Tiers-État deputies and few members of the nobility to form the new Assembly. The Cardinal de Rohan is not on the list. However, his article on the French wiki mentions that he was indeed a member, "against his will" (contre son gré), and the official website of the French National Assembly includes his bio as a member from 1789 to 1791, so there's a contradiction there. I did find this letter he wrote in 1790 to the Assembly's president, explaining why he had been away from the Assembly, which confirms that he was indeed a member even if he may not have taken his seat (the list of members linked above appears to include only members who were present for sessions of the Assembly, including substitute members). Xuxl (talk) 14:47, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. The fact that he was a member could probably against his will, since Louis XVI, forced by the revolutionary events at the end of June 1789, had ordered his clergy and nobility to join the assembly. 193.207.117.94 (talk) 15:40, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * That may be, but he initially alleged incapacition for matters of health, and produced or was helped producing medical opinion later. The matter originally dates back to before May 24th as can be inferred from les-archives-parlementaires (in that 24th of July reelection process, he's being freed from the oppressive burden of tyranny, according to orator.) --Askedonty (talk) 17:48, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Nice find, Askedonty. Interesting that the person writing the report mentions clearly that his absence is likely due to political differences and not to illness. The Cardinal clearly was not comfortable with the directions events were taking, and in fact emigrated a short time later. Xuxl (talk) 18:24, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok, closed. 193.207.147.234 (talk) 18:25, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Joan of Arc
I don't know the title, but I remember that I've seen many years ago a film where there was a man who loved her and never married after her execution. Can you find what film is and if it's a real-life story? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.207.147.234 (talk) 18:43, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the 1999 mini-series Joan of Arc? It puts Jean de Metz in the position you describe. DuncanHill (talk) 22:36, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Can the man have been Gilles de Rais (see )? --Lambiam 22:43, 23 November 2023 (UTC)


 * This immediately reminded me of The Song of Bernadette, which was about an equally famous French Catholic saint. It had a fictional character, a young man who loved her and chose not to marry after she became a nun. -- Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  21:33, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

File:Parthenon_section_annotated.svg
I've drawn the diagram above but am unsure how to classify the cornices: are they part of the entablature or the pediment?

Have I made any mistakes or important omissions, otherwise?

Thanks, cm&#610;&#671;ee&#9094;&#964;a&#671;&#954; 22:17, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I'd consider cornice to be part of the entablature, it is stylistically attached to the frieze to which it formas an upper frame. When viewed from the ground there is a clear disjoint between the entablature and the tympanum.  The raking cornice is part of the pediment however.  All IMHO of course! Martin of Sheffield (talk) 23:09, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Martin. I agree that the cornice should be part of the entablature, but was unsure of the raking cornice. Cheers, cm&#610;&#671;ee&#9094;&#964;a&#671;&#954; 23:52, 23 November 2023 (UTC)