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= November 25 =

The Donald Trump of [insert country]
Hi,

There are many politicians around the world who are called the local Donald Trump (Argentinian Donald Trump, Dutch Donald Trump). As far as I know, no other politician as been used as a way of comparing others in recent history. Would it make sense to create an article called List of non American politicians who are compared to Donald Trump? Please don't make it political, this is not about Trump and his policies, this is about creating a new Wikipedia article. Thanks in advance. 1.53.222.228 (talk) 01:30, 25 November 2023 (UTC)


 * By the way, when Trump was first gaining political success in 2015/2016, he was compared to Silvio Berlusconi and Rob Ford... AnonMoos (talk) 02:46, 25 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I don't think so. For starters, "politicians who are called the local Donald Trump" is not at all the same thing as "non American politicians who are compared to Donald Trump". But anyway, as always when creating a Wikipedia article, you need to first find your reliable in-depth sources. Shantavira|feed me 09:33, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Like for most proposed list topics, the barrier to inclusion is likely a lack of what we call "notability". A list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources (see WP:NLIST). So we'd need a discussion in reliable sources of the phenomenon that Trump is used as a metaphor to refer to clownish authoritarians. --Lambiam 19:20, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Essays by Flyer 22 Frozen
Greetings, some years ago I came across either a paragraph on a talk page or an essay written by Flyer 22 Reborn regarding the differences between pedophiles, child molesters, child rapists, and child abusers/Sex Offenders. Try as I might I have been unable to find a list of all her pages in the user space (what links here didn't help, I'm not certain if the her account name change confuses such a script), and using both the advanced wikipedia search and the sigma.toolforge edit summary search were unsuccessful in locating a diff similar to what I remember. I also read/page searched the talk page archives of pages such as Pedophilia, child pornography, and child sexual abuse. I wish had screenshotted the paragraph when I first read it. Thanks for any help in tracking down this. Thanks,L3X1 ◊distænt write◊  01:46, 25 November 2023 (UTC)


 * So neither of the essays linked from Special:PrefixIndex/User:Flyer22_Frozen/ (User:Flyer22 Frozen/"Common use" and "own" at Pedophilia article or User:Flyer22 Frozen/Hebephilia) is the essay you're seeking? Special:PrefixIndex does handle renames well: if you sub in Special:PrefixIndex/User:Flyer22_Reborn/ you'll see only the userspace subpages predating account renaming, which are all redirects to the pages under the later account name. Just trying to make sure the obvious ones are ruled out. Folly Mox (talk) 02:12, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I read through all the pages linked there and unfortunately none of them appear to be the section I remember. Since those are all the essays she wrote I suspect the passage was either work in progress text for an article or otherwise in an archive somewhere. Thanks for the link to special:prefixindex. Thanks,L3X1 ◊distænt write◊  03:44, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

History of (Roman Catholic) National shrines
In the Roman Catholic church, the 1985 Code of Canon Law describes shrines (places of pilgrimage) in canons 1230-5. . The 1917 Code doesn't appear to have an equivalent,, but places in various countries were declared to be national shrines before 1985. On what basis were places declared to be national shrines before 1985? And how far back does the concept of a national shrine go? Thanks. Aoeuidhtns (talk) 11:48, 25 November 2023 (UTC) Aoeuidhtns (talk) 11:48, 25 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Looking at that article, I wonder why the U.S. has 72 national shrines, more than any whole continent (other than North America)... AnonMoos (talk) 16:18, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * And the Philipines has 27 of them, vs 1 for Italy. Wierd. Johnbod (talk) 17:15, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * A shrine is a place visited by pilgrims and is typically associated with miracles believed to be due to the intercession of some person they believe to be a saint. To become a national shrine, it has to be approved by a conference of the national bishops, which will only do so if the veneration by the faithful of the putative saint and their belief in the miracles is widespread and the bishops approve of this veneration and belief. Both the inclination of Catholic populations to belief in miracles and that of their bishops to approve of this may be strongly divergent in different countries, which could explain such stark disparities. --Lambiam 23:25, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Italy also has two churches listed on the "International Shrines" list. And a lot of basilicas. Aoeuidhtns (talk) 23:50, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Catholic basilicas are churches too. --Lambiam 07:46, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Zorro (TV series 1957)
In episodes 31-34 of the first season, it was robbed from a Catholic church in Peru a famous croix of Andes. Can you search if it really existed in 1820? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.207.135.62 (talk) 20:55, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * This, perhaps? Or, more likely inspired by that. -- 136.54.106.120 (talk) 01:14, 26 November 2023 (UTC)