Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Humanities/2024 February 9

= February 9 =

Brazil–France border
The Brazil–France border was disputed until 1900, and Brazil's claim was accepted. I would like to see a map of the French claim. 123.51.107.94 (talk) 00:38, 9 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Here. --142.112.220.136 (talk) 01:19, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Transvaal Fatwa (1903) & Mahatma Gandhi any reaction or influence?
'Transvaal Fatwa (1903)' seems to have been much discussed trans regional discourse in Muslim world. I suppose around the same period Mahatma Gandhi also was in Transvaal South Africa.

'Transvaal Fatwa (1903)' Though academically well covered, we (i.e. WP) has not done any encyclopedic coverage of the topic yet. Nearest related personality article is Muhammad Abduh.

My questions:


 * How far Mahatma Gandhi would have been aware of the 'Transvaal Fatwa (1903)' discourse in Muslim World?


 * Did ever Mahatma Gandhi reacted to 'Transvaal Fatwa (1903)' discourse through his writings?


 * Any chance of any influence of that discourse over Mahatma Gandhi?

&#32;Bookku   (talk) 04:19, 9 February 2024 (UTC)


 * For the curious, the Transvaal Fatwa was a fatwa issued by Egyptian mufti Muhammad Abduh, ruling (among other things) that it was permitted for Muslims living in the Transvaal Colony to wear European-style brimmed hats. The fatwa was hotly debated in Egypt. I don't readily see evidence suggesting it was also debated in the Transvaal, so it may easily have flown (forgive the anachronism) under Gandhi's radar, who was busy enough with other things (co-parenting his youngest son, still a toddler; establishing himself as a lawyer; launching a newspaper). If he mentioned it, the most plausible locus is a contemporary article in Indian Opinion. --Lambiam 12:43, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
 * You seem to be right, at least in preliminary search I also did not find any thing. Many thanks for being helpful always. &#32;Bookku   (talk) 03:59, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Possibly identifiable person
I'm guessing this is an identifiable person, probably one who would have been a familiar face when this was published in late 1968; possibly specific to Seattle or the Pacific Northwest, but I'm guessing not. Certainly resembles Angela Davis, but I don't think she'd yet have been at all well known at that date. Anyone have anything more solid? (Any evidence on who the artist would be is also welcome.) - Jmabel &#124; Talk 22:31, 9 February 2024 (UTC)


 * I don't know whether I'm missing a trick here and the answer is something completely different, but per the entry it's "Madonna with Afro" by Mary Ida Hendrickson. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 22:55, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm (situationally) blind. That certainly gives us the artist. The question remains whether the subject is an identifiable person. - Jmabel &#124; Talk 00:16, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I don’t think the subject is supposed to BE an actual living person. Given the title of the work… the subject is the Madonna (ie Mary, mother of Jesus). I would assume the artist used a model for this artwork but she might not be known. Blueboar (talk) 00:59, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
 * There's next to no information about the artist online, so finding the name of one of her models is probably beyond us I'm afraid. Alansplodge (talk) 16:28, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
 * The artist, Ms Mary Ida Hendrickson, can be contacted via the links provided with the image. --Cookatoo.ergo.ZooM (talk) 17:40, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
 * yes, I'm the one who added that, given the above

Note that the title "Madonna" is nowhere in the Helix. It comes from the library that catalogued this. Model would only matter if it were someone notable. I was thinking this might have been something like a caricature, given that it was the front page of a newspaper. Jmabel &#124; Talk 18:15, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

The person somewhat resembles Angela Davis and that fits in with the mention of Eldridge Cleaver, but the resemblance to Davis shouldn't be treated as intentional without reasonable sourcing. Davis is still around, fwiw. 2601:644:8501:AAF0:0:0:0:2F14 (talk) 21:49, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, I actually have several friends in common with Davis. As I said in my initial question, "Certainly resembles Angela Davis, but I don't think she'd yet have been at all well known at that date." - Jmabel &#124; Talk 05:40, 17 February 2024 (UTC)