Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Humanities/2024 January 11

= January 11 =

Berkeley Public Schools Fund
What exactly is the relation of the Berkeley Public Schools Fund to the Berkeley Unified School District (BUSD)? Is it organizationally independent? --KnightMove (talk) 08:45, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Is this writeup by them insufficient? Abductive  (reasoning) 11:12, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I am unsure. For example, this webpage of BUSD inviting people to volunteer links to a form on the fund's website (although the form seems gone by now). This seems to imply close links in organization rather than just a supporting role of the fund. --KnightMove (talk) 12:08, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
 * People seem to believe that there is a "separation of NGO and government" rule, like the real separation of church and state; only right-wingers and Putin want to weaken NGOs. Abductive  (reasoning) 12:42, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
 * In the United States, non-governmental organizations (NGOs) that supplement or replace governmental services are not allowed to be partisan. They cannot directly support a political party or a specific candidate. Therefore, they cannot be Democrat or Republican. They can, however, support an agenda. They can support a liberal agenda, which would result in opposition from conservative people. They can support a conservative agenda, which would result in opposition from liberal people. Your claim that ONLY conservatives oppose NGOs is not based in the real world. It may be that case from your limited viewpoint. But, in a nationwide viewpoint, there are plenty of examples of conservative NGOs being opposed by liberal people. Perhaps it is different in other countires. Are there examples of countries where an NGO is only allowed to be liberal, which would limit opposition to conservatives? 97.82.165.112 (talk) 14:01, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Of course they are allowed to be partisan, under the 1st Amendment. Moreover, only right-wingers attempt to prevent people that they are opposed to from expressing themselves, but they make sure to always allow themselves all options. Abductive  (reasoning) 15:02, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Anyway, this has nothing to do with my question, and I don't need further information - so we can close here. --KnightMove (talk) 15:31, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Micro-Carillon?
What is a carillon in the context of a portable musical instrument played by a musician on the concert stage in the late 19th-century? (article Francis Houssemayne du Boulay has a link to one use but there are others) Doug butler (talk) 23:31, 11 January 2024 (UTC)


 * For what it's worth, my reading of the newspaper cited in that passage doesn't necessarily indicate to me that the instrument has to be portable; I think it could just be your standard, run-of-the-mill carillon. GalacticShoe (talk) 02:59, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * The traveling carillons are not unheard of. --Ouro (blah blah) 08:40, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * You may be referring to a Celesta? Shantavira|feed me 09:14, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Chimes, also are the good choice for one willing to spare his hypothenar muscles. --Askedonty (talk) 09:24, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Possibly, the reporter used the term for a glockenspiel. From our article on the instrument: "In German, a carillon is also called a Glockenspiel, and in French, the glockenspiel is sometimes called a carillon." Playing the xylophone and the glockenspiel are very similar skills, so being a skilled player on both is less surprising than excelling in playing the xylophone (with mallets) and a carillon or even a chime by forcefully hitting keys. --Lambiam 09:27, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Glockenspiel makes sense, for the reasons you advance, also fits the period. Thanks all. Doug butler (talk) 09:35, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * On searching further, I find "Mr Du Boulay again favored the audience with a sample of his versatility as an instrumentalist, performing "The Blue Bells of Scotland" with a number of variations upon the Carillon, a musical device resembling an arrangement of gun-barrels, but from which he produced the most exquisite melody." So, seemingly, a variety of glockenspiel made not from slabs but tubes, possibly stopped at one end. Doug butler (talk) 10:19, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * See also Tubular bells, of course. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.198.104.88 (talk) 10:38, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * On French Wikipedia: fr:Carillon tubulaire. I could easily see someone just shortening the name to carillon. GalacticShoe (talk) 17:12, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Rather a generic for then visually formless and undistinguishable idiophones . Although you're right, the buyer of the device would have known the name it was manufactured as. Scientifique, Pittoresque --Askedonty (talk) 20:09, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * It would appear that both the carillon article and the Wiktionary French entry on carillon need to be updated with the glockenspiel meaning. Thanks for pointing this out. GalacticShoe (talk) 17:08, 12 January 2024 (UTC)