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= March 13 =

A question on Wikipedians and personal micro economics
What are the ways most full time Wikipedians balance pressures of their personal economic life and need to earn?

Whether these economic pressures in personal life are dealt with differently by Wikipedians in developed countries and developing countries?

Any particular surveys on this topic?

&#32;Bookku   (talk) 03:05, 13 March 2024 (UTC)


 * According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, it’s about 38-42 hour of work per week, and the rest (126-128) for other things. DOR (ex-HK) (talk) 07:39, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * They collect data on Wikipedians' economic activity? -- Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  08:13, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * There have been several surveys; see e.g. WP:Wikipedians. I did not find any studies that considered this topic or that collected information that allowed drawing relevant conclusions. How does one define "full time Wikipedian"? One global Wikipedia survey found that respondents to a questionnaire spend on average under four hours per week contributing to Wikipedia. Lack of time was reported by some respondents as a reason for not contributing more, but this is not clearly related to their time spent on earning an income. A study by the Wikimedia Foundation found that only 6% of Wikipedians contribute to Wikipedia for more than 4 hours on a daily basis. The oldest cohort was the most prolific, so there may be an effect of retirees contributing relatively more. --Lambiam 08:22, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Some thing like minimum 6-8 hours Wikipedia activity a day or more, I would consider almost full time. &#32;Bookku    (talk) 09:51, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * But people don't punch in and out of Wikipedia, there are only timestamps. So, you might see me edit at 7:15 AM and again at 4:33 PM of the same day and you'd have no way of knowing whether I was on WP for two minutes total or nine hours total (and just spent a long time in the edit window, typing away). You're going to need something like an edit count, like an average of 100+ non-minor edits (that's five minutes per edit for eight hours) per day for X days or something along those lines. Then identify all those people and ask them all how much they make. Good luck with that. Matt Deres (talk) 15:40, 13 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Consider also that a good many Wikipedians are [per Lambiam above] doubtless retired (like myself), so the amount of time we spend on Wikipedia has no impact on our 'personal economic life', it's merely a matter of how we allocate our leisure activities. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.198.186 (talk) 22:43, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I am a sample of one, whatever that is worth. I have been editing for nearly 15 years. I have been self employed for over 30 years and I used to travel extensively around Northen California doing construction related repair work, as well as business related paperwork from my home office. A bit over three years ago, I semi-retired and my oldest son now does the actual repairs and I just do an hour or two of sales and customer communications a day. In 2018, 2019 and 2020, I averaged about 6500 edits per year. In 2020, 2021 and 2022, I averaged about 11,000 edits a year. So, in my case, a dramatic reduction in time devoted to paying work led to a significant increase in Wikipedia editing. Cullen328 (talk) 20:18, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

1916 electoral districts in Warsaw?
I'm working of a draft on the 1916 municipal elections in Warsaw (Draft:1916 Warsaw election), held under German occupation. I've been able to triangulate most of the results, just few fixes remaining. Notably the electorate was divided into 6 curia with 15 seats each. But I can't get hold of the mapping of the electoral districts (which would be super interesting, as it would allow to give a snapshot of the economic and ethnic structure of the city at the time).

Basically I have 3 references:
 * Goniec Poranny. 1916, no 317 p. 1 - June 27, 1916 - here there is a listing of the distribution of voters of Curia I, II, IV, V, VI across 52 electoral districts. Curia III doesn't seem to be divided by districts. But the number of Curia III voters match the later election results coverage.

Putting these numbers into a table, it looks like this (notably some totals don't add up):


 * Then we have Wybory do rady miejskiej in Kurjer Warszawski, July 16, 1916. p. 4, giving a district by district result of the vote in Curia VI. Notably there was no election in Curia I, II, IV, V as there has been a consensus pact of all parties on a single slate. So it was only in Curia III (Intellectuals, where no geographic division was made, rather the curia was divided into groups that all voted in same location July 10 or 11 or 12) and Curia VI (general population, i.e. the working class) where an election was held. Kurjer Warszawski gives result in 54 electoral districts. There seem to be some correlation with the list from Goniec Poranny, but the 2 lists are not matching.


 * Then we have this ordinance and as well as this, that instructs where and when Curia VI voters are supposed to vote. But the number of districts is far smaller than in the 2 tables above and doesn't seem to cover even all commissariats. The latter ordinance links commissariats to electoral districts, seems they are the old pre-commissariats mentioned as 1908-1916 on pl.wiki (https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podzia%C5%82_administracyjny_Warszawy).

Is there any source or anything that could link up the electoral districts with a map, a listing of addresses or at least a clear division of electoral districts per commissariats? Any input that would help putting pieces together would be appreciated. -- Soman (talk) 11:19, 13 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Soman -- You might have better luck asking somebody on Polish Wikipedia who has relevant knowledge. Unfortunately, Polish Wikipedia does not have a functioning "Embassy" page to encourage cross-language contacts, the way that many other Wikipedia language versions do, so I'm not sure where you'd start... AnonMoos (talk) 19:04, 16 March 2024 (UTC)