Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Language/2007 January 24

=January 24=

Latin Translation
My Latin teacher in High School used to say (spelled phonetically) 'Aus de la ven-days po-cees-cee-mus' when he was frustrated. He would never explain its meaning. Any ideas? 69.159.2.170 07:06, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Do you have any idea of how that would be spelled?Evilbu 11:25, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


 * "po-cees-cee-mus" is probably possimus "we are able". Beyond that I can't help. Is it possible that it's just Dog Latin? --Ptcamn 12:53, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

"Aus" to rhyme with "mouse" or "horse"? --Dweller 13:03, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Or (in case of a rhotic accent) to rhyme with "sauce"? —Angr 13:07, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

It is odd, all right. The last ending sounds like Latin, but the "de la" part sounds more like one of the Romance languages, where it means "of the" or "from the". And if "aus" is spelled "aus" (and rhymes with "mouse") it's German for "out". I wonder if he didn't explain it because he'd made up the phrase himself by combining words from different languages. (Now I suppose someone else is going to show how you've just got the word breaks wrong and it is Latin after all.) --Anonymous, January 25, 2007, 17:24 (UTC).

The last verb could be "deposcimus", i.e. "we urge, we ask with insistance". The whole sentence could then be "Adesse te deposcimus", which means "We ask Thou to come to us". A common sentence in religious hymns. That's my best guess... - Alexandre

explosive t and k sounds at end of sentence?
ok, what is the name of that annoying new clicking sound we have now in England (or am i just going nuts!!). Its as bad as that rising australian intonation we all had a few years back!

example "click" is now "clickk" with an loud accent on the k.

many thanKKs. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 91.105.96.57 (talk) 18:18, 24 January 2007 (UTC).


 * I'm not sure, but you may be referring to the fact that some English speakers often have so-called "ejective" final stop sounds ("p", "t", and "k"). See Ejective consonants (the page has a lot of linguistics jargon, just so you know). --Miskwito 23:24, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Are you talking about scousers? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.80.32.8 (talk) 04:37, 1 February 2007 (UTC).

Re vs re:, etc.
Who's got a style guide handy? When, in business/legal writing, using "re" as in "in reference to" or "regarding" (the etymology, according to M-W, is Latin: ablative for res), how should it be styled? Should it be "re whatever" or "re whatever" or "re: whatever" or "re: whatever "? I understand that you should probably generally avoid using "re" where you could use "regarding", etc., but say you had to use "re". I couldn't find a specific answer in the Blue Book or the California Practice Guide. Thanks. schi talk 19:19, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


 * In the Oxford Manual of Style (I only know about UK style; the convention may be different in the US) it's re in italics and no punctuation: "Re your enquiry...".--Shantavira 20:00, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


 * The three most recent examples in the OED (all published in the 1970's) don't even italicize re ("observations re public signs," "Re your article..."). The alternative in re is borrowed from the legal usage "in the case of," for example, "In re Jones v. Jones...", but it is sometimes extended to a meaning close to the one familiar for "re."  The reason you have re: with a colon in mind is because this is often seen at the head of memos and letters to announce the subject.  ("To: E.H. Jones // From: God // Date: 24 Jan. 2007 // Re: What you did last night")  Wareh 22:23, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that's what I suspected. schi talk 23:31, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


 * By the way, the standard accepted style guide in the U.S. is the Chicago Manual of Style. It's just my luck that it doesn't happen to include a guide on "re".TheSPY 01:13, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Turkish
Hello, this guy has a friend called Selen. He says the name comes from Greek and means "Moon". I read about Selene but is it possible as she is a Turkish girl, any idea ? -- DLL .. T 19:44, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Are you saying Turkish people aren't allowed to use Greek names? Turkey was part of a Greek-speaking empire for several thousand years you know. :) 137.22.30.19 02:59, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Which is why they hate each other :) --Auximines 09:19, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * "Several thousand" is quite an overstatement. The Greek language itself has only been written for 3,500 years. --Ptcamn 04:21, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Greek was the main language of government and "international language" in western and central Anatolia pretty much continuously for about 1,400 years (from the Macedonian conquest to Manzikert). AnonMoos 15:52, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * My WP:Thanks to all! -- DLL .. T 18:53, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

French for "coursework"
Does anyone know what the French word for "coursework" is? Thanks, Bioarchie1234 19:54, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * In the sense of an integral part of the requirements for graduating from a school (together with the final exams), I believe contrôle continu comes pretty close. I saw it used at the French Wikipedia's pages on Licence (France) and Baccalauréat (France). ---Sluzzelin 01:19, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * It depends on context. There's isn't a single word in French (that I can think of anyway) that covers it.  If you mean the classes required for a degree, those are usually le programme or les cours obligatoires.  If you want to say you've done some coursework in a subject, you just use cours.  I thought contrôle continu means having quizzes, midterms and/or homework count towards the final grade (as opposed to the traditional French system of one giant exam at the end of the year.)  --Diderot 14:50, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree. My big Collins-Robert bilingual dictionary suggests "contrôle continu," but this literally refers to the assessment regime.  In my US academic experience, "coursework" doesn't necessarily mean something required, but just "courses one takes."  (For example, "I see from your transcript that your coursework at Berkeley included a lot of electives in the music department!")  Wareh 00:57, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I admit I wasn't certain about the exact meaning in English that Bioarchie was looking for, which is why I based my interpretation on Wikipedia's article on coursework. But I suspected the meaning was ambivalent. ---Sluzzelin 01:08, 26 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Bioarchie is living in the UK, based on my interpretation of their userpage and talkpage. Therefore, the meaning of 'coursework' probably intended is work that is submitted throughout a course to count towards a final mark, that is not the exams. This might involve writing an essay, or it might be a whole project that you produce a folder on, or it might involve planning, carrying out and writing up an experiment, or it could be something else. It sounds like, from what people have said above, that contrôle continu comes closest to describing the sort of system that involves coursework, but doesn't necessarily unambiguously mean 'coursework' in the sense that Bioarchie means. Skittle 12:45, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

hi, Imfrom the UK, and i've always used redaction, to mean what skittle means. am i so completely wrong? 87.194.21.177 22:30, 29 January 2007 (UTC)


 * A thought: Is the word going to be referring to coursework taking place in the UK, in France, or in Canada? Canadian French =/= French French. --Charlene 02:55, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Hebrew name
I have to write an assignment on the origin of my first name (Miriam) for my Humanities class. I want to include the spelling in the Hebrew letters that are displayed at the top of the wiki page, so I tried copying and pasting them in to the text file. They display, but the order of the letters become reversed. I think Hebrew is written right-to-left, and I guess that the formatting is disappearing when I copy/paste them. So, when including a Hebrew word/name within English text, should the Hebrew letters be written in the same direction as the English ones? Or is that incorrect, and I should manually put the letters back in the proper order? -- 〈 Miriam The Bat  〉( Talk ) ( Contribs ) ( Sign Me! ) 21:12, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, Hebrew is written from right to left. I got it to work using copy and then "paste special" in Word. I selected "html" and it pasted it in the right order. Our article is dreadful. I hope you've got some other reference material and not just basing it on what we have. --Dweller 21:23, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Is it really that bad? It's only a short assignment, so I'm listing the meanings on the top of the page, how it comes from "Miryam" and it's possible Egyptian origins, and that I in specific was named after the biblical figure. I just like being very correct when it comes to other languages. -- 〈 Miriam The Bat  〉( Talk ) ( Contribs ) ( Sign Me! ) 21:47, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The Oxford English Dictionary's etymology for "Mary" includes: Aramaic and Hebrew Maryām, variant of biblical Hebrew Miryām (first attested as the name of Miriam the prophet, the sister of Moses, Exodus 15:20), of uncertain origin. That's all it says, though, so I'm not sure if the OED has left some info out, or if the possible definitions listed at the top of the Miriam page are just guesses or original research. --Miskwito 23:21, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I know dead tree editions are old-fashioned, but the best resource for first name origins I know of is A Dictionary of First Names by Patrick Hanks and Flavia Hodges, ISBN 0192116517. Your university library probably has a copy. —Angr 07:31, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Miriam is spelt מרים in Hebrew. It's always written from right to left, and מ is the first m, with the variant ם as the final m (see mem). The second letter is ר, an r (see resh), and the third is י, a y (see yodh). The vowels are not usually written, and, when they are, they are written with a system of vowel points called niqqud — מִריָם is how one points Miryām. — Gareth Hughes 21:01, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia translations
Hello, I would like to know the requirments to make translations on Wikipedia. I speak my native language, Spanish and English as well. Thank you for your time. I hope I can get an answer soon 24.107.158.201 22:06, 24 January 2007 (UTC) Dante Nader.
 * There's no basic requirements, other than willingness to spend your own time. You could check out Translation for requested translations. If you'd like to do more serious translation work, we'd be happy if you'd create an username, though. 惑乱 分からん 23:06, 24 January 2007 (UTC)