Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Language/2007 July 6

= July 6 =

Marriage in the late 18th century
Hi, I am to do a project on marriage in the late 18th century, are there any recommended sites? Thanks.


 * You may want to try asking this on the Reference desk/Humanities.-Andrew c [talk] 14:07, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

What is the definition of Andalusian Effect?
Hello, I have been searching for the meaning of the term Andalusian effect but so far can only find it in use in sentences with no indication to what the meaning is. If there is anyone who can help me to better understand this term, I would appreciate it. Thank you.

Yvette laFrance
 * http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Andalusian states - "From, or pertaining to, Andalusia" (from the Arabic name for Iberia, الأندلس (al-andalus), so an Andalusian Effect would be an effect pertaining to Andalusia. http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=%22Andalusian+effect%22&meta= shows it used in reference to the 1947 Indian partition a number of times and in reference to an influence in decorating style. Lanfear&#39;s Bane E-mail address removed.

\ Saying an Andalusian effect is a effect from Andalusia is like defining Spanish flu as a flu from Spain. What is referred to is the triumphal purging of the Moors from Andalusia, their last stronghold in western Europe. Partitioning India resulted in huge pressures for Muslims to move to Pakistan, "their" portion of the Raj, thus leaving only the architectural relics of Islamic rule in India. alteripse 21:45, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think they are quite comparable, the Spanish Flu was named due to the pandemic having received greater press attention in Spain than in the rest of the world, according to the article. Perhaps it would have been more accurate to say "...would literaly be an effect..." and "...however in this instance it may have been more likely to refer to...". The question however did not indicate the circumstances in which the phrase had been seen, so I provided links to a number of examples. Lanfear&#39;s Bane

Urdu translation help
Someone added this interwiki link to the Jesus article: ur:%D8%B9%DB%8C%D8%B3%D9%B0%DB%8C %D8%B9%D9%84%DB%8C%DB%81 %D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B3%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85 %D8%A2%D8%B3%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%88%DA%BA %D9%BE%D8%B1 %D8%B2%D9%86%D8%AF%DB%81 %D8%A7%D9%B9%DA%BE%D8%A7%D9%84%DB%93 %DA%AF%DB%93 %D8%A7%D9%88%D8%B1 %D9%82%D8%B1%DB%8C%D8%A8 %D9%82%DB%8C%D8%A7%D9%85%D8%AA %D9%86%D8%B2%D9%88%D9%84 %D9%81%D8%B1%D9%85%D8%A7%D8%A6%DB%8C%DA%BA %DA%AF%DB%92. The article title seems rather long to just say "Jesus" or "Jesus of Nazareth" or "Jesus Christ", so I am curious what on earth it does say. Any ideas?-Andrew c [talk] 15:10, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It appears to be a redirect. The title of the actual article only contains the rightmost (last) four words. 71.146.171.255 05:19, 7 July 2007 (UTC)ا
 * Correction: the title only contains the rightmost (first) four words. =) Tesseran 07:20, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't speak (or even read) Urdu, but the article title seems to read something like "ʿisa ʿalih as-salaam". The first word is the name of Jesus in Persian (so perhaps in Urdu also), a quick Google suggests the middle word means "prophet", and the last word means "peace". My best guess for the short title is thus "Jesus, Prophet of Peace" [capitalization mine]; for the long one, you'll have to wait for someone who speaks at least a little Urdu. Tesseran 07:36, 7 July 2007 (UTC)


 * There is a little mystery here. The top line presumably means something like "redirected from ur:%D8%B9%DB%8C%D8%B3%D9%B0%DB%8C %D8%B9%D9%84%DB%8C%DB%81 %D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B3%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85 %D8%A2%D8%B3%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%88%DA%BA %D9%BE%D8%B1 %D8%B2%D9%86%D8%AF%DB%81 %D8%A7%D9%B9%DA%BE%D8%A7%D9%84%DB%93 %DA%AF%DB%93 %D8%A7%D9%88%D8%B1 %D9%82%D8%B1%DB%8C%D8%A8 %D9%82%DB%8C%D8%A7%D9%85%D8%AA %D9%86%D8%B2%D9%88%D9%84 %D9%81%D8%B1%D9%85%D8%A7%D8%A6%DB%8C%DA%BA %DA%AF%DB%92". However, if I go to the |redirect page and follow the redirect link given there (after the ↩ symbol) to ur:%D8%B9%DB%8C%D8%B3%D9%B0%DB%8C_%D8%B9%D9%84%DB%8C%DB%81_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B3%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85, I see a quite different article. How is that possible? --Lambiam Talk  13:29, 7 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I think there were two different articles on Jesus under two different names, and someone is right now in the midst of merging them. There are also some double-redirects in the mess. When I first looked yesterday at the link provided in the question above, it was not a redirect, it was an article. —Angr 17:17, 7 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, when the link was first added to Jesus yesterday, there was an article there. Seems like something is going on. Thanks for the info on the short version title. Any clues on the longer title?-Andrew c [talk] 19:45, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

quarire (Italian word)
Lot's of pages link to this in wiktionary, but there is no page for this yet. Does anyone know what it means? 68.231.151.161 17:50, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


 * All (or nearly all) of the linked words are supposedly forms of this supposed verb. Perhaps someone found the infinitive and deleted it because it is not an Italian word but neglected to delete all of the linked forms?  All of the instances of "quarire" that I found via Google seemed to be typos for guarire. Marco polo 20:02, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Latin
Any recommendations for online resources, preferably free ones, for learning to read and write Latin? --Carnildo 23:23, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * You might like to browse some of these results - http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=learn+latin+free+online&meta= . Lanfear&#39;s Bane


 * It's not free, but you can probably get an old copy of Wheelock's Latin for close enough. I think mine (1963 paperback edition) cost about $5 at the local used book store.  Pretty good deal when you realize it's still one of the big standard texts.  No experience with online resources though.  &mdash; Laura Scudder &#9742; 00:36, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

You could try wikibooks and wikiversity Storeye 04:02, 7 July 2007 (UTC)


 * You might find useful the LatinStudy groups and resources (keep an eye out for a new beginner's group). It really is worth the money to get hold of a copy of Wheelock's Latin (ISBN 0060783710).  Once you're beyond a beginning textbook and ready to read some real Latin literature, then there are some helpful online resources, so you should come back and ask again then.  Wareh 20:47, 7 July 2007 (UTC)