Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Language/2008 February 13

= February 13 =

Solidary refinement
Solidary Country Party needs to be renamed, to correct the spelling if nothing else. However, I'm not quite sure what it should be called. The article introduces itself as the National Solidarity Party (Partido País Solidario), which agrees with my rudimentary Spanish, but I get Ghits as The Country in Solidarity Party. Clarityfiend (talk) 03:57, 13 February 2008 (UTC)


 * What is it most often called in English-language news reports? AnonMoos (talk) 10:32, 13 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Possibly Party for a Country of Solidarity? It redirects to your article, and I found "Party for a Fatherland of Solidarity" and "Party for a Country of Solidarity". The article on Politics of Paraguay gives this translation as well, while our article on the Argentinian Frente por un País Solidario (FrePaSo) has "Front for a Country in Solidarity" as its title. (my emphasis) ---Sluzzelin talk  12:06, 13 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Party for a Country of Solidarity it is (ugh). Clarityfiend (talk) 05:36, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Is the following sentence grammatical?
"Swami Vivekananada was born Narendranath Dutta, son of a well-known lawyer of Calcutta, Vishwanath Dutta, and a very intelligent and pious lady, Bhuvaneshwari Devi, in the 1863."

Thank you very much. Vineet chaitanya 196.12.53.9 (talk) 04:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Swami Vivekananada was born Narendranath Dutta, a/the son of Vishwanath Dutta, a well-known lawyer in Calcutta, and Bhuvaneshwari Devi, an intelligent and pious lady, in 1863.


 * It's not encyclopedic, though, due to the lady part. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Imagine Reason (talk • contribs) 04:59, 13 February 2008 (UTC)


 * ImagineReason's rendition is good (if "a/the" is "the"); the order of the names and descriptions is better than before. In order to merely be idiomatic and grammatical, however, one would only have to change it this far: "Swami Vivekananada was born Narendranath Dutta, [the] son of a well-known lawyer of Calcutta, Vishwanath Dutta, and a very intelligent and pious lady, Bhuvaneshwari Devi, in the 1863." I mention this for completeness, lest the questioner think that there was something more wrong with his order than style.


 * I have to wonder whether the formulaic honorifical "intelligent and pious lady" should not remain in an encyclopedia entry. It seems to be a culturally inspired phrase, and as alien as it sounds to this American I like the courteousness of it; if you're going to pump up the dad, it seems rude to just name the mom. --Milkbreath (talk) 11:19, 13 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Unless her intelligence and piety have been the subject of non-trivial coverage in reliable sources then it shouldn't stay, regardless of "fairness." :) -Elmer Clark (talk) 14:30, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

stitches in spanish
how do you say stitches in spanish, like when they sew your skin together when you have a laceration or open wound or operation? and second, is there an article for it in english or spanish, i cant find it. =( —Preceding unsigned comment added by Boomgaylove (talk • contribs) 11:28, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The English article suture interwikis to es:sutura, but I don't know if that word's in common use. Algebraist 12:01, 13 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Los puntos (de sutura) is commonly used. Or el punto for a single stitch. ---Sluzzelin talk  12:12, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

thanks that was it puntos is what i remember hearing before. damn when you move from home and stop speaking spanish everyday you really forget a whole lot! =( —Preceding unsigned comment added by Boomgaylove (talk • contribs) 02:34, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

thank you, the answers you gave me helped me to improve the disambiguation pages for "Stitch/Stiches" in English and "Punto/Puntos" in Spanish which will make it easier for others to find the articles Suture and Sutura respectively which i did not. Thanks!Boomgaylove (talk) 09:50, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

buoyant in spanish
how do u say buoyant in spanish or buoyancy? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Boomgaylove (talk • contribs) 11:55, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I would have said flotante for the adjective and la flotabilidad for the noun. Wikipedia's article on buoyancy interwikilinks to Principio de Arquímedes, and typing "flotabilidad" in Spanish Wikipedia's search box redirects to that article as well. ---Sluzzelin talk  12:17, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
 * There's also flotable. Lantzytalk 17:02, 13 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Flotante and flotabilidad work fine. But the related concept of buoyancy force (physics) is empuje in Spanish. Pallida  Mors  19:38, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
 * For buoyancy, Cambridge Klett Compact (quite a serviceable mid-sized dictionary, for when one's definitive major dictionaries are unavailable) only gives capacitad para flotar for the literal sense, and optimismo for the figurative sense.
 * For buoyant it gives flotante and optimista.
 * There are other possibilities, but you should give some context, you know.
 * –&thinsp; Noetica ♬♩&thinsp;Talk 04:34, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

OK! heres some more context, i was translating the article Water wings into Spanish Alas Acuáticas and was stumped on the word buoyancy in this sentance:


 * When the wearer is in water, the air inside the water wings provides buoyancy on account of its far lower density than the water.

which i translated as:


 * Cuando el sujeto los tiene puesto el aire en ellos causa un mayor facilidad de flotación por su pequeña densidad en comparación al agüa. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Boomgaylove (talk • contribs) 09:53, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

In the above translation, the "u" in agua does not need dieresis. In Spanish, ü is used only between q/g and e/i when the u needs to be pronounced. RickMilw (talk) 02:13, 17 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Alright. Here I would translate buouyancy as flotabilidad. Pallida  Mors  18:53, 14 February 2008 (UTC)