Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Language/2009 September 20

= September 20 =

Translations
French

Ayant irrité Lothaire Ier en faisant rendre la liberté à Judith de Bavière, femme de Louis le Débonnaire, il fut obligé de se retirer en France auprès de ce prince. Il est le père d'Adalbert Ier.


 * Having annoyed LI by setting free JdeB, wife of LleD, he was forced to withdraw to France near to this prince. He is the father of A I de T. Tinfoilcat (talk) 10:29, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Italian

Non è noto l'anno di nascita, qualcuno lo pone nel 788, altri nell'800. Lo stesso anno di morte non è certo, potrebbe essere l'846.

Era figlio di Bonifacio I di Toscana di cui divenne erede, e discendente di una famiglia di origine bavarese. Divenne signore di Lucca, e poi prefetto di Corsica dall'828 quando occupò l'isola in seguito ad una spedizione contro i pirati che infestavano il Tirreno. Fu anche margravio di Toscana dall'828 fino alla morte.


 * (ec) The date of his birth is not known, some put it in 788 ant others in 800. The date of death is also uncertain, it could be 846.  He was the son of BIdiT, whose heir he became, and he was the descendent of a Baverian family.  He became Marca di Tuscia, then prefect of Corsica from 828 when he occupied the island following an expedition against the pirates infesting the Tirenno.  He was also Margravio of Tuscany from 828 until his death. Tinfoilcat (talk) 10:29, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 151's translation below will be better than anything I can do as the ip is in Italy.Tinfoilcat (talk) 10:31, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Probabilmente era sposato con Bertha da cui, sembra che ebbe Adalberto I di Toscana, che fu anch'egli margravio.

Secondo la tradizione, nell'833 rifondò la cittadina romana di Calcosalto in Corsica per difendersi dagli attacchi dei saraceni; e la cittá prese il nome di Bonifacio in suo onore. Essa venne abitata da coloni toscani provenienti soprattutto dalla provincia di Lucca, che poi verranno espulsi dai genovesi nel 1490.

Nelle lotte tra Ludovico il Pio e Lotario, il marchese Bonifacio si schierò con il primo, concedendo la libertà all'imprigionata moglie di Ludovico, Giuditta di Baviera reclusa a Tortona; ma essendo Ludovico il Pio sconfitto e nominato Lotario re d'Italia, questi lo privò del feudo. Trascorse gli ultimi anni della sua vita in esilio in Francia.


 * The Italian translation: (sorry for the bad English):

The year of birth is unknown, for someone is 788, for others is 800. Even the year of death is uncertain, maybe 846. He was the son of Boniface I of Tuscany, of which he became the heir, and he was the descendant of a family native of Bavaria. He became the lord of Lucca and then the prefect of Corsica from 828, when he occupied the island following an expedition against pirates, who where infesting the Tyrrhenian sea. He was also a margrave of Tuscany from 828 until his death. He was probably married to Bertha, and it seems he had a son from her: Adalbert I of Tuscany, who was a margrave too. According to the tradition, in 833 he re-founded the roman city of Calcosalto in Corsica to defend himself from the attacks of the Saracens. The city took the name of Boniface (Bonifacio) to honour him. It was populated by tuscan settlers coming from the Lucca province, but they where later expelled by people from Genoa in 1490. In the fights between Louis the Pious and Lothair, marquis Boniface took the parts of the first, freeing Louis’ captive wife, Judith of Bavaria, imprisoned at Tortona. But, being Luois defeated and being Lothair crowned King of Italy, the latter deprived him of his feud (fief). He lived his last years in exile in France.--151.51.24.225 (talk) 10:24, 20 September 2009 (UTC)


 * How about this?--Queen Elizabeth II&#39;s Little Spy (talk) 06:45, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Fra i documenti relativi a Ranieri l’Archivio Diplomatico Fiorentino ne possiede uno del 2 aprile 1015 secondo il quale il Marchese Ranieri figlio del Conte Guido fece dono alla Badia Amiatina di un pezzo di terra posto nel distretto di Corneto per suffragare le anime del fu Marchese Ugo e della Contessa Waldrada nata da Guglielmo sua moglie e per l’anima di Ranieri loro figlio infante.

Quest’ultimo documento quindi conferma che il Duca e Marchese Ranieri ebbe in moglie una Contessa Waldrada figlia di un tal Guglielmo e che era padre nel 1015 di un altro Ranieri. Proprio questa pergamena è all' origine della confusione sulla paternità di Ranieri dato che nei secoli i vari genealogisti ritenevano che Ranieri onorasse la memoria dell' Ugo Salico. In realtà quell' ugo sarebbe da intendersi come l' Ugo marchese ripuario dei Bourbon del Monte di Santa Maria, quello cioè che nel 960 fondò sul Nestore la Badia di Santa Maria in Petroio nel contado di Perugia.

Sempre nel 1015 Ranieri fece restituire ai monaci della Badia di Marturi, presso Poggibonsi, molti beni che le erano stati tolti dal suo antecessore anche se gli Annalisti Camaldolensi sostengono che una parte di quelle sostanze Ranieri, in qualche modo, se le fosse tenute per sè. In quell' anno, inoltre, un altro gastaldo del Marchese Ranieri, con placito del 27 febbraio in Stazzano sopra Pistoia, confermava alla Badia di Monte Taona tutti i beni di Bagio che erano stati donati alla Badia nel settembre del 1009 dal Marchese Bonifacio.


 * Translation:

Among the documents regarding Rainier, the Florentine Diplomatic Archive owns one dated 2 April 1015. According to it, marquis Rainier, son of count Guido, gave as a gift to the Badia Amiatina a piece of land in the district of Corneto to intercede for the souls of the deceased Marquis Ugo and of countess Waldrada, born to Guglielmo and his wife, and for the soul of Rainier, their infant son. This latter document confirms that duke and maquis Rainier married a countess named Waldrada, doughter of someone called Guglielmo, and that he was father, in 1015, of another Rainier. This very parchment is at the base of the confusion over the fatherhood of Rainier, considering that, during the centuries, genealogists believed that Rainier honoured the memory of Ugo Salico. Actually, that Ugo is to be intended as the ripuarian marquis Ugo of the Bourbon del Monte di Santa Maria (of the mount of Saint Mary), the one who in 960 founded on the Nestore the Badia of Santa Maria (abbey of Saint Mary) in Petroio in the county of Perugia. Still in 1015, Rainier made the monks of the Badia of Marturi near Poggibonsi to receive back a lot of goods which were taken by his predecessor. But the Annalisti Camaldolensi (Camaldolese annal scholars) sustain that he kept some of those goods for himself in some way. In that year, also, another gastald of marquis Rainier, with the placito (judicial approval) of 27 February at Stazzano above Pistoia, confirmed to the Badia of Monte Taona all the goods of Bagio, previously given as gifts to the Badia in September of 1009 from marquis Bonifacio. Hope it helps! --151.51.24.225 (talk) 10:06, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Rhetorical device involving repetition for contrast
In this rhetorical device, one contrasts a compounded or modified form of some word with the uncompounded version, and the latter is repeated twice as though modifying itself, to indicate that it's a more authentic version of whatever's being discussed. This is best shown by example(I made these up): "The aquarium had both jellyfish and fish fish(meaning: actual fish)"; "I wasn't homeschooled-- I went to school school(meaning: an "actual" public school)"; "He doesn't consider himself German American, but American American(meaning: purely/completely American)". Is there a term for this? 69.224.112.30 (talk) 15:19, 20 September 2009 (UTC)


 * See Contrastive focus reduplication. ---Sluzzelin talk  17:55, 20 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks! That's exactly what I had in mind, I just wasn't quite sure what to search for, since I suspected there wasn't a term. 69.224.112.30 (talk) 00:33, 21 September 2009 (UTC)


 * also Epanorthosis maybe?83.100.251.196 (talk) 18:01, 20 September 2009 (UTC)


 * There's a big list at Figure_of_speech which I recommend you check if you haven't already, also why not transfer this question to the language desk... 83.100.251.196 (talk) 17:58, 20 September 2009 (UTC)


 * ? ---Sluzzelin talk  17:59, 20 September 2009 (UTC)


 * ok maybe it is the language desk. I thought I was on misc. - I'm going back there now anyway :)83.100.251.196 (talk) 18:03, 20 September 2009 (UTC)


 * It's amazing what you can find in an online encyclopedia (as opposed to an encyclopedia encyclopedia). :-) StuRat (talk) 20:54, 21 September 2009 (UTC)


 * 69.224, you might also find this thread interesting. ---Sluzzelin talk  00:47, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Programmin Logic of this: 1 232 34543 232 1
I am unable to code this problem to print the following:

1    232    34543   4567654  567898765 67890109876  567898765   4567654    34543     232      1

If anyone can help me with the concept or logic on how to code this in C language....Thanks And one more query: What is this structure called???


 * What have you tried so far? r ʨ anaɢ talk/contribs 17:10, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Try printing it line by line - here are some salient points:
 * The 1st line starts with 1, the second with 2 etc upto a certain value (6)
 * After a certain value of n (6) the first value of a line starts to decrease - after reaching 1 the program stops...
 * Each line beginning with n contains 2n-1 digits
 * more usefully it contains n-1 digits counting up, 1 digit in the middle, and n-1 digits counting down
 * If the digit goes beyond 9 only the last number of the whole number is used ie for 12 only use 2 - this relationship is given by the function which is sometimes written (n % 10)
 * There is an indent of z spaces in which z is given by (6-thefirstnumberintheline)
 * As far as I know the structure printed does not have a special name.
 * also you might get a better response on the computing desk, if you get stuck again - please ask there.83.100.251.196 (talk) 17:55, 20 September 2009 (UTC)