Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Language/2010 July 10

= July 10 =

Alan Tudyk
How is Alan Tudyk's last name pronounced? By the way, I suck at IPA. Thanks, Dismas |(talk) 09:36, 10 July 2010 (UTC)


 * He pronounces it "two dick" here. -- Finlay McWalter • Talk 09:44, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Cool! Thanks!  Dismas |(talk) 09:56, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

One child policy related term - Request for new article
I was searching for references to the term heihaizu (黒核子), and while it is used sometimes for referring to the illegally born children in China, it does not formally exist in any dictionary or any source that could be perceived as verifiable and reliable. Could someone help with that? If somebody has access to some source of information about the term, or in some way is able to provide information, please do so. Online, I could not find any sources of definition, or even references to the term. Only blogs and yahoo anwers that could not be perceived as neutral. Also I cannot read Chinese, and all I could read about the material are of Japanese-written blogs or sites.

The article currently exists at [| User:4l31st3r/Heihaizu]. Thank you in advance.

4l31st3r (talk) 17:50, 10 July 2010 (UTC)


 * If it helps, my google search of the term revealed 39,000 hits of only Japanese sites using the term - nothing whatsoever in Chinese. Also, the pronunciation of the word seems to be given as ヘイバイズ, which would represent a pinyin 'heibaizi' (and not 'heihaizu', as your article calls it). This is incorrect. The correct pinyin for those hanzi should be 'heihezi'. Where have you seen the term yourself? --  KägeTorä - (影虎)  ( TALK )  00:17, 11 July 2010 (UTC)


 * There is a site named after the term, which in this case has another meaning (核子 also means nucleon, so the deriving word takes the meaning of black nucleon), but the term's usage I am looking for is a result of the One child policy (一人っ子政策), and the most profound pages of the search (either searching for '黒核子' or 'heihaizu') related to this meaning, are blogs, forums, yahoo answers, and generally speaking non dictionary or encyclopedic sources. I can't find a reference to the term that gives a definition, or even a neutral reference. 4l31st3r (talk) 08:29, 11 July 2010 (UTC)


 * You will find more Chinese results if you search in Chinese (黑孩子) instead of Japanese (黒核子). As for reliable resources, how about the following two: UNHCR, Time. 124.214.131.55 (talk) 13:27, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

4l31st3r (talk) 13:38, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I didn't think to search for all the possible meanings of the phrase in English. The ones I did were no good.
 * Ah, right, yes, replacing 核子 ('hezi', nucleus) with 孩子 ('haizi', child) now makes the whole thing make a bit more sense, plus the pronunciation now fits. Cheers. Disregard my post below. --  KägeTorä - (影虎)  ( TALK )  13:45, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

By the way, there should probably be a central Wikipedia article to discuss the issue of unregistered births / children without documents, which has been identified as a significant problem in a number of countries by NGO's and/or UN agencies. I searched on several likely keyword combinations, but couldn't find such an article currently... AnonMoos (talk) 12:54, 11 July 2010 (UTC)


 * (Post deleted because of EC with above) I don't disagree with creating such an article - after all, children such as this do exist. I just find this current proposal a little problematic. For this particular word, all I can find is 39,000 hits of blogs and such in Japanese - nothing whatsoever in Chinese, and in fact, many of them are direct copies of each other. That, and the fact that the only reference to the pronunciation of the word comes in exactly the same format every time and is incorrect, leads me to partially believe that it's either a recently coined word (and only known/used by a very small number of people - given the very small number of Ghits we get, many of which are copies of each other) or it's a word used in a manga or anime or other literature (and coined and labelled with incorrect pronunciation by the author - this happens from time to time). 4131st3r, can I ask you again where you first heard this term, not necessarily in reference to unregistered children? This would certainly help us narrow down our search for anything that may give the word more validity. --  KägeTorä - (影虎)  ( TALK )  13:38, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks to 124.214.131.55 I finished the article, but since I do not have knowledge of chinese, could someone with knowledge of Chinese language edit the pinyin?

4l31st3r (talk) 20:52, 13 July 2010 (UTC)