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= September 5 =

Latin phrases
Can anyone give me some handy Latin phrases for "As expected" (or "As I expected", "As a given") and "Almost as good as" (or just "as good as")? Eman 235 / talk 18:56, 5 September 2015 (UTC)


 * After consulting Cassell's Latin Dictionary...


 * For "As expected", I'd suggest quod erat exspectatum, literally "which was expected": cf. quod erat demonstrandum.


 * For "as... as", this is translated by tam... quam, so "almost as good as" could be paene tam bonus quam; you'd have to inflect bonus for gender and number (presumably, of the thing that's almost as good, not the thing it's almost as good as).


 * --65.94.50.17 (talk) 20:53, 5 September 2015 (UTC)


 * That would have to be "quod est exspectatum" (with "erat" it means "which had been expected", since "exspectatum" is the past participle of "exspecto". But there must be a simpler way to say that. "Sicut exspectavi" I suppose, "just as I expected", which can then be conjugated for different persons and tenses. Adam Bishop (talk) 21:02, 5 September 2015 (UTC)


 * What about secundum expectationem (meam/nostram/suam ...) or maybe even secundum presumptionem (meam ...). I found both, but not sure they convey the right meaning, nor that they are in fact good Latin. ---Sluzzelin talk  21:16, 5 September 2015 (UTC)


 * So what about "I expect"? (As in "I expect you to...") Eman 235 / talk  21:40, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
 * "Exspecto" means "I expect" (exspecto, exspectas, exspectat, etc). Adam Bishop (talk) 01:02, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
 * This entire conversation reminds me of This rather famous cinematic exchange over proper Latin. -- Jayron 32 04:06, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I thought it was 'Romanes eiunt domus'. 'Romani ite domum' is the corrected version. KägeTorä - (影虎)  ( もしもし！ ) 06:59, 6 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Urgh, Latin! I guess I asked the question. How would one alter (and pronounce) "Sicut exspectavi" to refer to a group of people? Eman 235 / talk  04:25, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
 * So it means "as they expected"? That would be "sicut exspectaverunt". Adam Bishop (talk) 12:04, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
 * No, so it means "As I expected, they..." or rather "I expect you (you referring to a group of people) to..." Eman 235 / talk  20:34, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh, well in that case you'd need the rest of the sentence, it would be "sicut exspectavi, [they...]". For "I expect you to [do something]", it would be "exspecto ut [you...]". Adam Bishop (talk) 07:25, 7 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Wouldn't praevideo be a better verb here than exspecto? The former has more of a connotation of prediction, the latter is more like 'awaiting' (cf exspectans exspectavi). AlexTiefling (talk) 09:38, 7 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Maybe, depending on the context. Our understanding of the word "expect" is a bit different from "exspectare", where what it really means is, as you say, "wait", and it would be better to use "dum" instead of "ut" ("I am waiting while [you do something]" is a Latin way of saying "I expect that [you do something]"). "Exspectare" seems like the normal word to use here, but we could use another verb. The idea of something being expected (or not) could also be expressed in a completely different way, even without using any verb at all. But we don't know what else Eman wants to say, so word-for-for is the best we can do for now. Adam Bishop (talk) 12:33, 7 September 2015 (UTC)


 * "Praevideo ut" sounds right, if it indeed literally means "I predict that you will". Do you have IPA for that? Eman 235 / talk  21:45, 7 September 2015 (UTC)


 * In classical pronunication, that's /prɛːˈwi.de.oː ˈʊt/. But to answer your original question, 'as foreseen' would be 'qua praevisum', /kwa prɛːˈwiːsum/. Assuming that you're referring to one specific event, you could use 'qua praevisum' without having to add anything else, whereas the construction with 'ut' needs a subjunctive verb. AlexTiefling (talk) 11:18, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
 * "Qua praevisum" doesn't make any sense...you could say "sicut praevisum" I suppose. Another construction we could use here is an ablative absolute, "hoc praeviso". Adam Bishop (talk) 11:29, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Gah, you're right. I think 'sicut praevisum' achieves what I wanted, but I tried using a dictionary instead of my memory for stock phrases. More fool me. OP: 'hoc praeviso' literally means 'this thing having been foreseen...', and could be stuck on the front of practically any sentence to provide the appropriate context. AlexTiefling (talk) 12:09, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Kalasan: How it is pronounced?
Hi, I just want to know the correct pronunciation of the above mentioned word which is a temple name and place name also. Thanks in advance! -- S at yam Mishra ''' --talk-- 22:53, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Pronounce it as if pseudo-Spanish Chándi Calásan. Roughly  (not sure about the stress).--Lüboslóv Yęzýkin (talk) 23:43, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot Lüboslóv Yęzýkin! It was helpful. I, also, found Kāla (time) article linked to this article... and that solved my confusion about the first 'a' as I was confused whether it is pronounced as 'aa' (long vowel) or not! Because "Kaala" means "time" and "Kalaa" means "art" in sanskrit! That was my problem; and now, It is clear! -- S at yam Mishra ''' --talk-- 07:25, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I hardly know from what words came this Indonesian name (Candi may have come from Chandi), but in Malay/Indonesian there are no long vowels, at least in this name there is certainty none. Whether the first part of the second word came from Kala (as the article about the temple says) or kalā "art" does not mean anything for the Malay/Indonesian pronunciation. Note, the combination "ah" from the above respelling is not supposed to mean the vowel length, but the quality (English long, spelled "ah", is a little closer to Malay/Indonesian /a/ than English , spelled "a").--Lüboslóv Yęzýkin (talk) 13:21, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much! -- S at yam Mishra ''' --talk-- 21:28, 6 September 2015 (UTC)