Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Language/2019 May 5

= May 5 =

sibling rivalry
In a conversation about music, my sister brought up Misa Criolla, which she insists on pronouncing /kriˈoxa/. Is there really a dialect of Spanish in which ll is pronounced like x? —Tamfang (talk) 23:30, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
 * A quick scan didn't find what you're looking for, but you might want to check out Spanish dialects and varieties. 2606:A000:1126:28D:9C3C:E8AA:C8E4:28F1 (talk) 03:08, 6 May 2019 (UTC)


 * We have article Ll on the digraph in various languages... AnonMoos (talk) 11:34, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
 * The double ll sound in Spanish is generally pronounced as a y sound such as the name Villalobos is pronounced Vee-a-low-boss. Criollia would therefore be pronounced Cree-o-ear
 * I've heard the "y" sound pronounced like the French "j", like kind of a "zh". Haven't heard it like an "x", though that doesn't prove anything. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:23, 7 May 2019 (UTC)


 * From the article AnonMoos linked: Today, most Spanish speakers outside of Spain pronounce ll as virtually the same sound as y, a phenomenon called yeísmo. As a result, in most Spanish-speaking parts of the Americas as well as in many regions of Spain, Spanish speakers pronounce it (voiced palatal fricative), while some other Spanish speakers in the Americas (especially Colombian and Rioplatense speakers, and in Tabasco, Mexico) pronounce it  (voiced postalveolar fricative) or  (voiceless postalveolar fricative). 70.67.193.176 (talk) 19:39, 7 May 2019 (UTC)


 * The Wiktionary entry for the masculine form gives some pronunciations. Help:IPA/Spanish indicates Spanish words and English approximations for the sounds. Jmar67 (talk) 20:17, 7 May 2019 (UTC)