Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Language/2019 October 15

= October 15 =

Russian Grammar.
What is Putin's middle name, and how do I pronounce it? Primal Groudon (talk) 03:17, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
 * (1) Vladimirovich; and (2) incorrectly. :) :) :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:20, 15 October 2019 (UTC)


 * It's technically a patronymic, rather than a middle name in the usual sense... AnonMoos (talk) 06:00, 15 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Our relevant article is Vladimir Putin.--Thomprod (talk) 14:13, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Hmm, our article doesn't have pronunciation. Would it be OK to insert the one from the German wikipedia? [vɫɐˈdʲimʲɪr vɫɐˈdʲimʲɪrəvʲɪtɕ ˈputʲɪn] 70.67.193.176 (talk) 14:52, 15 October 2019 (UTC)


 * I've read that, except in the most formal circumstances, a name like Pavel Pavlovič is normally contracted, Pal Palič; but I don't know how Vladimir Vladimirovich would be contracted. —Tamfang (talk) 08:03, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I have a vague memory that Vladimir Nabokov wrote somewhere that his patronymic Vladimirovich is normally slurred to something like Vladimich. (In Pnin, I believe, he wrote that Pavlovich is slurred to Pahlch.) Deor (talk) 17:05, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

I would suggest that it is not okay to copy paste this from the German Wikipedia as this would need to be pulled from the Russian as his name may be pronounced differently in Germany. See the recent question concerning Prince Harry being called Prince Enrique in Spain. Thanks Anton 81.131.40.58 (talk) 16:08, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
 * The IPA in the German article (copied above by 70.67....) is the Russian pronunciation. It includes the palatalisation of consonants, which does not occur in German and is not used when pronouncing the guy's name in German. --Wrongfilter (talk) 09:57, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks Wrongfilter! Have put in an edit request to have it added to the article. 70.67.193.176 (talk) 14:13, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 * And it's now in the article, so yay RefDesks for improving the encyclopedia :) 70.67.193.176 (talk) 21:37, 16 October 2019 (UTC)