Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Language/2022 June 23

= June 23 =

Jeanine Áñez
File:Jeanine Áñez.ogg from corresponding article pronounces her name as "Yanine", yet other Spanish media (La Nacion, Telesur) pronounce it in French manner, like Jane. Is this a Bolivian Spanish feature or something else? Brandmeistertalk  18:54, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 * All 3 sources sound like "gee-a-NEEN-a" to me. 108.52.196.8 (talk) 19:35, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 * To me, the first two sources have a y- [j-], and the second a j- [dʒ-] -sound. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 22:12, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure how you're contrasting "the first two" with "the second", but to me, the first has a [j], the second has a [ʒ], and the third has a [dʒ], so all three are different. --Trovatore (talk) 06:20, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Though admittedly, as a set theorist and a C++ programmer, I probably should accept "the second" as coming after "the first two". --Trovatore (talk) 06:21, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Did you mean, "the zeroth two"? --Lambiam 12:34, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I might have mixed up "second" and "other" in haste... 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 11:05, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * That's probably the result of varying pronunciations of ⟨y⟩, which may be realized as [ʎ], [ʝ] or even [ʒ]. See Yeísmo. I'm not an expert on the matter, however; our article suggests that The distinction between /ʝ/ and /ʎ/ remains in the Philippines, Andean Ecuador and Peru, Paraguay, Bolivia, and the northeastern portions of Argentina, but then "Jeanine" is not a Spanish name so variety in pronunciation is not unexpected. No such user (talk) 07:24, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I guess some speakers might try to emulate the English or French pronunciation, in this case. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 11:16, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Whether it's originally /dʒ/, /ʒ/, or /j/, /ʝ/, which may be an affricate, fricative, or approximant depending on position and variety, is the closest sound Spanish has to all of them (except /i/ is [j] when non-syllabic but it's not phonologically a consonant). Nardog (talk) 11:33, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry, which sound was the closest sound Spanish has? Your response is unclear the way it's written now. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 12:39, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
 * /ʝ/. It's not unclear if you pay attention to where the conjunction or is. Nardog (talk) 12:50, 30 June 2022 (UTC)