Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Language/2022 October 3

= October 3 =

Lyman, Ukraine
What is the correct IPA? --Espoo (talk) 15:56, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * In case it's useful, here's the edit that introduced the IPA to the article: . --Amble (talk) 20:18, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Wiktionary wikt:лиман gives [ɫeˈman] for the common noun лиман. --Amble (talk) 21:04, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * In unstressed syllables,  is an allophone of ; see . The actual realization is somewhere between  and  What you hear may depend on the speaker.  --Lambiam 09:47, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, and I expect the is also an allophone for hard л, but I don't know whether either of those should be used in our phonetic transcriptions. From what I've seen, Wiktionary seems to standardize both of them, as in [wɔɫɔˈdɪmer] for wikt:Володимир. --Amble (talk) 17:56, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Russian or Ukrainian question
I saw this text on a building wall in Espoo, Finland. It is probably in Russian or Ukrainian. Which language is it and what does it say? J I P &#124; Talk 21:58, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Russian, see for example the word 'время' ('time'). --Soman (talk) 23:18, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Something about bicycles (velosipedi) for 30-40 minutes of time, it seems. I didn't get very far in my Russian studies... 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 11:36, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

--Theurgist (talk) 12:55, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks! This is what I wanted to know. J I P  &#124; Talk 17:42, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
 * So were there a number of bicycles near the sign, with helmets hanging from the handlebars? Just for interest, can you find a Google Maps Street View image of the spot? --174.95.81.219 (talk) 22:13, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Probably the quickest diagnostic for distinguishing Russian, Ukrainian, and Belarusian is the use of the letters и, і, and ы. Russian (for the last 100 years or so) uses и and ы but not і. Ukrainian uses и and і but not ы. Belarusian uses і and ы but not и. —Mahāgaja · talk 18:48, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * It could be harder in handwriting, though. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 22:01, 9 October 2022 (UTC)