Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Miscellaneous/2010 October 29

= October 29 =

LSU vs GEORGIA 2010  (TENN,)
NCAA RULES: 2 POINT AND 12 -13 ON FIELD. GEORGIA vs xxxxxxx 2010 FIRST: IT WAS TENN., NOT LSU. SORRY, I WAS WRONG. (RDO)

NEXT: IF YOU ARE OUT OF TIME OUTS, AND ONLY A FEW MINUTES LEFT IN THE GAME, THEN I MIGHT PUT 12 OR 13 IN TO BUY COACHING & STAFFING TIME. I MIGHT GET A HINT, OR A FREE PEEK ! YES IT IS 1 1/2 YARDS NOW, BUT I MAY GAIN INFO. TEAMS LIKE MU AND TEX TECH, ETC, THAT RUN THE "GUN" OR SPREAD, ARE OFTEN NOT GOOD AT Q.B. SNEAKS. SO, THE OFFENSE MAY NOT GET MUCH,(1-1/2yds); BUT LOOSE A LOT, SOME OF THEIR SURPRISE/TRICK PLAY ADVANTAGE. CONCLUSION: NOT A LOT TO LOOSE FOR THE DEFENSE. FIVE YARDS, 15 YARDS, 25 YARDS, PENALTIES IRRELEVANT HERE.

IN THE ABOVE (2PTs) EXAMPLE, MAY I SUGGEST A LOSS OF A TIME OUT (BECAUSE THEY GOT A FREE T.O.+ A TV TIME OUT): OR MARK OFF THE REMAINING 13 1/2 YARDS WHEN YOU SET UP THE KICK-OFF.

PREDICTION: MAKE THE ABOVE RULE CHANGE AND 12 OR 13 PLAYERS, 2 PT TRY INCIDENTS WILL ALMOST DISAPPEAR.!

THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR ANSWERS. END. RDO —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.199.236.78 (talk) 00:44, 29 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Please don't type in all capital letters. It's difficult to read and is interpreted as shouting. Cherry Red Toenails (talk) 04:54, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, despite reading your text several times, I can't understand what question you want to ask. Could you rephrase it in simpler terms, so we can see whether we can help answer it?   Ka renjc 10:57, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * After reading your question a few times, all I can gather is that you are suggesting that if either team is attempting a 2 point conversion and the game clock is running out of time, they can voluntarily commit a penalty by having too many players on the field to somehow stop the clock or save time? If you read the artcile Convert, you will learn that the game clock does not run during conversions, so the whole idea is not needed. 10draftsdeep (talk) 15:35, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

John Law Prints Money
From around 65 years ago, when I was in gramma school, I learned something about a gentleman named "John Law" .. of course, now I can't recall anything about him. I think we studied him in "Louisiana" history. The thing he was noted for is printing money that had no gold to back it. I think I recall there was a "John Law Company" back in the 1700's or 1800's; and it must have had something to do with a civilian type of a governing entity. If anyone has any memory of what was taught from many years ago, concerning this particular person named "John Law"; or any other resource, I'd be interested. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.156.107.249 (talk) 04:55, 29 October 2010 (UTC)


 * From your description, it sounds like you're thinking of John Law (economist). Dismas |(talk) 05:07, 29 October 2010 (UTC)


 * You also, I think, conflated "John Law" with John Company, which actually ruled much of India for a while. Comet Tuttle (talk) 17:27, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

simplest year calendar in the world???
what is the simplest & most precise ABSOLUTE year calender in the world, somthing which will never be changed, each year is exactly the same in days, monthes E.T.C?

is there such a thing like it?,

thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.177.24.234 (talk) 07:26, 29 October 2010 (UTC)


 * All yearly calendars must change from year to year because a solar year is not an exact number of days or weeks.  To complicate matters further, days are getting marginally shorter and years longer over the centuries.  Of course it would be possible to define a calendar which was exactly the same every year, but then the equinoxes and solstices (and seasons) would move round the year over time.   D b f i r s   08:05, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The article Calendar describes many calendars ancient and modern. Cuddlyable3 (talk) 13:03, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The article Decimal time may also be of interest. --Viennese Waltz 13:23, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * ... also Decimal calendar and Calendar reform. None of them work, of course, but you might prefer one of them to the current system where the days of the week rotate with the years, and skip one day every leap year, and we need to add the occasional Leap second to keep in step with the sun.    D b f i r s   16:38, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * There's also Unix time, which measures seconds since January 1st, 1970. It's really simple, and won't ever change.  Ooh, actually it jumps back and forth when leap seconds occur.  Well, there's still International Atomic Time.  Paul (Stansifer) 17:24, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Historically, there have been calendars with a flat 365-day year, which meant that the same date would gradually shift around to different seasons on a cycle about 1,500 years long. The Maya calendar incorporated such a cycle, and according to the Wikipedia article on the Maya calendar, so did the ancient Egyptian one. --Anonymous, 18:29 UTC, October 29, 2010.

The 13 month, 4 week (28 day) month calender (+1 day for 'christmas' except leep years) is fairly simple compared to current efforts. Additionally there's no reason that every year should not start on a monday, and every month on a monday when using it. (note that 'christmas day' need not be one of the 7 days of the week) Obviously as noted above the issue with this and all other calenders is if a year is not exactly 365 days. (I call this the pack of cards calender since there are 13 cards in a suit, and 4 suits in a pack, plus a joker) .. do we have an article on it?? yes we do Positivist calendar - I'm fairly sure this is the simplest and least variable calender - the problems begins when trying to pick names for the months... Sf5xeplus (talk) 23:29, 29 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, that's the only accurate candidate that preserves seasons and is the same every year except leap years (when there could be either a double Christmas day or a bonus day half-way through the year). There would be nothing to stop the whole world changing over to this calendar (but probably with different naming).  I don't think it will ever happen, at least not until there is a world government.  Some of us rather like the rotating days of the week, and there is an enormous amount of conservative inertia in preserving the current system.  It has been in use for 2054 years with a  minor modification 428 years ago that took  some  countries a long time (up to 341 years) to adopt.    D b f i r s   21:03, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

The pack of cards calendar (not calender) is called the World Calendar and there is an article on it here. -- Sussexonian (talk) 09:43, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * 13 months in a year, not 12... (13 cards in a suit) Sf5xeplus (talk) 14:11, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Whoops, my mistake. In fact the World Calendar still substantially satisfies the original requirements and, in the form described, it retains the familiar feel of 12 months and the names of the months.  The main objection to practical implementation in the real world being the one in the article, that some religious bodies would not be able to modify the never-varying seven-day sequence: which would make any calendar of the type requested impossible.  -- Sussexonian (talk) 15:47, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The World Calendar does satisfy the requirement doesn't it? (I was assuming that every month had to be the same, but that wasn't specified).  The 12-month version has a better chance of success if all religions can be persuaded that an occasional double holy day is beneficial.  The working year would be marginally reduced.  Can we achieve the change in less than the 341 years that it took last time?    D b f i r s   22:34, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Football question (The USA kind)
If both football teams have 12 men on the field when the ball is snapped, and the flags get thrown, who is assigned the penalty? Do both teams get a penalty and they offset? Googlemeister (talk) 13:10, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure they'd offset.  Kingsfold  (Quack quack!)  14:04, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Possibly the referee?Froggie34 (talk) 15:37, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

SAT
hi, i'm from india, and i just enrolled for the next SAT test! all i know is that it consists of two compulsory subjects, math and english. but a friend of mine says that i also have to give another additional subject test for phy or chem or bio, or something like that.... in order to go a reputed university. plz tel me what exactly is the significance of the score i'll get and does the second test matter? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.197.234.185 (talk) 13:26, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Our article SAT contains detail about the content of the tests and their significance to college admissions in the US. You may also find it helpful to visit the website of the college(s) to which you are hoping to apply, and checking what their admissions criteria say about SATs.  I cannot find any detail about extra tests in science, although I would assume a college's requirements would vary according to what subject(s) you intended to study.   Ka renjc 13:39, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I think your question about science tests refers to the SAT Subject Tests, which are covered in a separate article. Ka renjc 13:43, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * As to the second test, many of the best universities require them, while most of the even "very good" universities don't. Lots of public universities won't require any subject tests, although some will (University of Pennsylvania, generally regarded as one of the best public universities in the United States, does require two subject tests, for example.  The University of Illinois at Urbana–Champaign, regarded as a very good public university, though not the very best, does not).  Extremely competitive private schools like the Massachusetts Institute of Technology or Harvard University will require a couple of SAT II subject tests, while private schools like Tulane University, still highly regarded, generally do not.  Do you (the original poster) know where you would like to apply for school in the United States?  If you do, you can check on their admissions website, and see what the requirements are. Buddy431 (talk) 16:16, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * (By the way, University of Pennsylvania is a private university, not a public one.) Marco polo (talk) 02:32, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Right you are. My bad. Buddy431 (talk) 03:22, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

LSU vs TENN. 2010 NCAA  2 pt  Try
My point is simple

My question is simple

Should the penalty for illegal substitutions be changed in the 2 point try, by taking the remaining yardage ( 13 1/2 ) yards from the defensive team in the next kick off. ? : Or taking away a time out, if they have one,?

Point: Presently if the defense puts 12 men on the field, the penalty, ( if they get caught ), is minor. If play has not started it gives the "D" a free peek and free time to adjust their personnel: the price ? ans = 1 1/2 yards

Discussion: I  suspect that there are coaches in the college game doing this to gain advantage, saving their time outs (especially at end of the half or the game)

Propose: I think the NCAA may need to look at this and change the penalty (just the 2 point try) to cost the " D " a time out, or take the remaining 13 1/2 yards at the next kickoff. What do you think ?

RDO —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.199.236.78 (talk) 14:12, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I think you are mistaken in assuming that a 1.5 yard penalty is not substantial. It is half the distance to the goal, and will increase the offenses chance of success by more then 50%.  Googlemeister (talk) 15:50, 29 October 2010 (UTC)


 * The Reference Desk is not a forum for opinions. Please do not ask what we think should be done.  --Anonymous, 18:30 UTC, October 29, 2010.

what is the most famous internet forum about electronic product in North American/Australia/Europe?
what is the most famous internet forum about electronic product in North American/Australia/Europe? where can i publish my product information so the potential customer will look into? i am running a company and main business is customize electronic product. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xingzhoushi (talk • contribs) 14:39, 29 October 2010 (UTC)


 * In Australia, http://www.whirlpool.net.au describes itself as "Australian broadband news and information". It has been around for many years and over that time has encompassed a lot more than just broadband. It may be useful to you. If nothing else, maybe you could ask there. HiLo48 (talk) 21:08, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * www.ttnet.net is an e-marketing site that describes itself as "a worldwide B2B marketplace that makes trade easy" and it has a category for sellers of home electronics. Cuddlyable3 (talk) 22:17, 29 October 2010 (UTC)


 * This site http://www.electronics.globalsources.com/ is reputable; the company has been in existence for over 40 years. They charge a fee for listing products, however; before the internet they published "Asian Sources", a catalog for Western buyers looking for products (electronics, mostly) from Asia and China. Even if you do not list your product with them, it might be a good place to learn about what your competitors are doing. I have no connection with the company, btw. –  OhioStandard  (talk) 14:17, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Dual fashions: flares or straights
Years ago the fashion used to be for either flared trousers or straight trousers, only one at any time. Now it appears that both kinds of trouser are in fashion, both at the same time! What is the explaination for this? As far as I know we are not in a transition between one or the other: both are in fashion simultaneously. Thanks 92.15.4.156 (talk) 17:28, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Eclecticism in trousers? 81.131.1.16 (talk) 17:51, 29 October 2010 (UTC)


 * For a good few years now, this has been the case with most clothes. For some reason, we are living through a period of very eclectic, (relatively) tolerant fashion, where most styles are 'in' to a greater or lesser degree. Looking individual, and wearing clothes that suit you, seem to matter more than one specific, all-encompassing look. But you will probably notice that the people who wear narrow straightleg trousers are not the same people who wear flared trousers. 86.162.69.141 (talk) 19:33, 29 October 2010 (UTC)


 * For as long as the words at the end of this sentence remain red, there is no such thing as Logic in fashion. HiLo48 (talk) 21:02, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Fashion is a conspiracy by the manufacturers and retailers to get us to buy new clothes when the old ones have not worn out yet. Maybe they decided that people want a complete set of stuff, hence the dual fashion. 92.15.12.85 (talk) 14:35, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Heck, wear what you want! I had fallen in love with cargo pants some nine years ago, and still prefer them over anything else despite having been told (in my own country as well as abroad) that they are 'out of style' (whatever that means). If it's comfortable, if it is done right, if you like the fit, colour or feeling when you wear something - just wear it. Don't focus overly on trying to stand out from the crowd, just be your casual (or well-dressed) self. --Ouro (blah blah) 07:01, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * That's the American point of view. The Fashion Police have a lot of work to do over there. 92.15.26.46 (talk) 15:35, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Really? I'm not from there, am not associated, am not even a fan... curious conclusion You draw, 92.15... --Ouro (blah blah) 19:56, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Which song is this?
Hi. I would just like to know if anybody is able to tell which song this is please? Thanks CrispinWhittaker (talk) 22:35, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think we can identify the few generic bars played with any particular song. The same YouTube poster has 4 other very short videos (with song titles) that show him at an early learning stage with his guitar. Cuddlyable3 (talk) 15:38, 30 October 2010 (UTC)