Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Miscellaneous/2011 June 13

= June 13 =

JECKLE & HYDE TOGETHER AGAIN, MOVIE
Hope you can shine some light on this movie.JEKLE AND HYDE TOGETHER AGAIN, I own this movie, BUT a few yrs ago it was on TV, so I started to watch it, even though I own the movie. The actors were the same ones, BUT the story line was different. It was a Dr, named Jekle who turned into Hyde, but it had a differet story line. I have seen this happen on an other movie that had Check & Chong made, the bagthat was full of weed was a bag full of diamonds or money, the story line was changed. So can you tell me anything about the other movie of JEKYLE & HYDE TOGETHER AGAIN, that has the same actors, but story is different, they changed things. I know I did not imagin this.... Thank you so much. Respect & blessings, Diana Sanchez — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mamadance (talk • contribs) 00:50, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I have redacted your email address to avoid unwanted spam. Richard Avery (talk) 06:34, 13 June 2011 (UTC)


 * The actual title is Jekyll and Hyde... Together Again. Check that article and see which version, if either, it compares to. (I've never seen it.) Keep in mind that a TV version of a movie, or a re-cut for whatever other reason, can be substantially different. Black Sunday, I think it was, had some signficant changes between the theatrical and the TV version. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:17, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Novels about Canadian inuit
Can anyone name any novels about Inuit that are by Canadian Inuit authors? Or can anyone name any novels about Natives in Alaska? I don't want children's' books. Young adult or Teen novel and Memoirs or autobiographies are fine. Neptunekh2 (talk) 00:59, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * This post duplicates a (slightly earlier) one on the (more appropriate) Humanities RefDesk (as well as a similar query by, I think, this OP some weeks ago). Anyone with (further) answers to contribute might prefer to answer there rather than split and/or duplicate their or each others' efforts. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.197.66.119 (talk) 03:08, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * See Reference desk/Archives/Humanities/2011 April 16 for the answer you got before. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 12:26, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

What is a proprietary sport and what are notable examples of it?
So I was reading the article on Arena football, and noticed that the article stated that it is a "proprietary sport". Knowing that proprietary means a proprietor owns the exclusive rights to something, I was thinking that it means that it is a sport that is owned by someone and only people authorized by that person or group may play it, but is this really so? And if so, what are other notable examples of propietary sports? 112.210.183.211 (talk) 10:29, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I personally would think that a "proprietary sport" can only limit the commercialization of the sport, i.e., you could legally play it in your backyard with friends for fun, but you can't use the game to make any money (like no selling tickets to have people watch, for example.) Avic ennasis  @ 12:39, 11 Sivan 5771 / 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but you haven't answered my other question of notable examples of it, excluding the already mentioned Arena football. 112.210.183.211 (talk) 12:47, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Roller derby was, although that didn't stop other people establishing very similar sports with their own names and rulebooks. It seems that the trademarks had expired before the 2000s revival, and the new teams use a different rulebook, anyway. Warofdreams talk 14:27, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Arena football is specifically a proprietary sport, and is the intellectual property of Jim Foster (football) and his designated companies (various current and historical Arena Football Legaues]]. However, the concept of the game (an indoor version of American football) itself is not copyrightable/trademarkable/patentable, so there are other versions of Indoor American football which have arbitrary rules differences so they can be considered independent of Arena football.  There are other proprietary sports, such as various proprietary versions of laser tag, e.g. Photon: The Ultimate Game on Planet Earth.  Slamball may be another one.  -- Jayron  32  18:32, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Reading the article on Arena Football. There were evidentally patents on some of the rules meaning there were some areas you definitely couldn't follow in the US. I say were because our article says the were granted or filed in either 1987 or 1990 which would suggest they have expired by now (Term of patent in the United States). There may be patents on new aspect. Nil Einne (talk) 00:55, 14 June 2011 (UTC) Edit: Found a ref confirming the expiration which I added to the article. 00:57, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I suspect Arena Football is the most popular sport for which the rules are legally encumbered, but late-night cable TV is littered with other examples that likely have similar legal protections. Slamball, the World Combat League, and even (depending on how far you are willing to stretch the definition of 'sport') American Gladiators and the World's Strongest Man are a few that come to mind. gnfnrf (talk) 17:22, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Beer label in Colonial America
What are the designations of "x, xx, and xxx" in beer during the Colonial America? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.106.111.159 (talk) 14:25, 13 June 2011 (UTC)


 * It was a strength rating system to determine the duty payable to the Crown; I believe it started in the reign of Elizabeth I. It's still used today as a trade mark by some traditional brewers and most famously Wadworths 6X. XXX is also used by British cartoonists to show that a barrel or bottle contains beer. Alansplodge (talk) 15:42, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * There is an idea that XXX refers to tripled distilled liquor which is of course not beer. 75.41.110.200 (talk) 18:13, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The Aussies had to do one X better. -- Jayron  32  18:24, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * That's only because Queenslanders can't spell. It's something genetic, apparently.  --   Jack of Oz   [your turn]  19:37, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Funny how pubs and bars throughout some places in NSW always have the "XXXX" logo displayed. When I brought my (Chinese) parents traveling, they always wondered "why there were so many strip clubs in NSW". --  李博杰   | —Talk contribs email 00:43, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Darn Jack, you beat me to that comment about Queenslanders. But I've also been told that XXXX actually began life in Castlemaine, Victoria. HiLo48 (talk) 05:55, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * See XXXX and Castlemaine Perkins. "In 1877, the Fitzgerald brothers of Castlemaine, Victoria bought the site of a failing distillery (in Milton, Queensland) and created a brewery, which they named after their home town and its eponymous brewery. They began to brew beer there in the following year and the brewery continues production to this day. Castlemaine Perkins is the home of the XXXX beer brand." Alansplodge (talk) 17:23, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I found this table showing English beer strengths from 1860 - 1900 and the standardised rating using "X" and other letters. This page suggests that this rating system wasn't used before the 19th century - rather at odds with the premise of the question. More research needed. Alansplodge (talk) 17:38, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * This page suggests an origin in medieval monastry brewhouses.
 * A maybe more reliable source is The Art of Brewing (Published under the superintendance of the Society for the Diffusion of Useful Knowledge), London 1829 says "The duties on ale and beer, which were first imposed in 1643... at a certain period, in distinguishing between small beer and strong, all ale or beer, sold at or above ten shillings per barrel, was reckoned to be strong and was, therefore, subjected to a higher duty. The cask which contained this strong beer was then first marked with an X signifying ten; and hence the present quack-like denominations of XX (double X) and XXX (treble X) on the casks.. of strong-ale brewers.". Alansplodge (talk) 18:05, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I have strarted a stub article called XXX (beer). Alansplodge (talk) 11:53, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Getting from Paris/Orly to Paris/Charles de Gaulle
I just received a flight from Nice to Helsinki, via Paris. The only problem is that in Paris, the flight from Nice arrives at Paris/Orly, but the flight to Helsinki departs from Paris/Charles de Gaulle. I have three hours to switch between the flights. I have been in Paris only once, and that was about fifteen years ago. I don't know anything about where the airports are or how to switch between them. How do I go from Paris/Orly to Paris/Charles de Gaulle in three hours? J I P &#124; Talk 19:46, 13 June 2011 (UTC)


 * There is a Paris route planner here. Make sure you ask it for "Aeroport Charles De Gaulle" not "Charles de Gaulle – Étoile". Putting in a random time midway through tomorrow it gives 1 hour 17 minutes for the transfer itself. Given all the walking you'll be doing around giant airports, and all the inevitable airport nonsense, three hours flight-to-flight seems like a challenge. -- Finlay McWalter ☻ Talk 20:07, 13 June 2011 (UTC)


 * There's a different planner here (but it seems to return the same result as the other one). Which stop at CDG you use depends on which terminal you're travelling through, which is a function of which airline. -- Finlay McWalter ☻ Talk 20:19, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * You'll be fine - there's a shuttle called Orlyval which goes from the airport to the RER B at Antony station, which goes straight to CDG. Just make sure your train's destination is CDG. 3 hours is plenty of time. - file lake  shoe  20:26, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * + according to Google maps it only takes 40mins by car so a taxi might be your best option if you're worried about time - file lake  shoe  20:30, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * There's yet another version here . Lookes like you can take Orlyval and the RER, but I'd go with the Air France bus option, which will be a direct trip for another €8 with no transfers or worries.  Acroterion   (talk)   20:29, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * While Google Maps may estimate travel time by road at 40 minutes, that estimate assumes no traffic delays. The traffic overlay on Google Maps indicates that the route between Orly and CDG is heavily congested for much of the day, and especially weekday mornings and evenings and weekend afternoons.  The level of congestion suggests that traveling by road between the two airports could easily take an hour and a half or longer.  The advantage of the rail connection is that you will not be caught in traffic.  Marco polo (talk) 00:53, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * It's the whole way across Paris, south to north, so better take public transport. At www.ratp.fr click on the UK flag (first button) under Tourist information (top right) and then you have pages in English, and maps of how to get to the airports. Orlyval light rail to Antony then RER B seems the simplest. Itsmejudith (talk) 07:42, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I used to live in central Paris and work near CDG, and I drove to work daily. I certainly wouldn't recommend any time-critical transfer that involves road travel.  The route from central Paris to CDG is very often heavily congested with travel times of 45 minutes (in the dead of night) and sometimes in excess of 2 hours in traffic.  Orly is a similar distance in the other direction and I would have no expectation that the roads would be any less congested.  The RER is the way to go, but even so 3 hours could be a tight squeeze.  Astronaut (talk) 15:08, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

I find it confusing I'm getting both replies that there's plenty of time and replies that it will be quite a stretch. J I P &#124; Talk 18:16, 14 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Although I haven't made that particular connection, I have done a fair bit of traveling, and, based on all the information, I'd say your connection time is a bit tight. It is probably just feasible if 1) you do not have to collect checked baggage at Orly, 2) you already have your boarding pass for the CDG flight and don't need to check in again, 3) you take the Orlyval and RER trains, and 4) you are not traveling at a high-volume time (like Sunday afternoon, Monday morning, or any time Friday).  If you are missing any of those four criteria, I would be nervous about making the connection.  Here's how I calculate it:  Time required to get from Orly gate to Orlyval platform:  15-20 minutes.  Time required to wait for Orlyval train and then travel to Antony station: 20 minutes.  Transfer and waiting time at Antony station: 10 minutes.  Travel time from Antony station to CDG:  60 minutes.  Transfer time from RER station at CDG to security checkpoint at the correct terminal for your flight:  20 minutes.  Time to pass through security:  20 minutes.  Time to move from security checkpoint to your gate at CDG:  15 minutes.  These processes add up to two hours and 45 minutes.  If you have 3 hours to make your connection, that leaves you just a 15-minute cushion.  If, in addition to the steps I have listed, you also have to collect bags at Orly, get a boarding pass or check in bags at CDG, or if you have to wait more than a few minutes at the security checkpoint, you could miss your flight.  If I were you, I would allow more like 4-5 hours for a connection between the two Paris airports, or, better yet, arrange for a flight from Nice to CDG (if such flights exist) or just take the TGV.  Marco polo (talk) 19:23, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Are there any helicopter flights between the two airports? The Mark of the Beast (talk) 19:32, 14 June 2011 (UTC)


 * There are no scheduled helicopter flights, but if JIP is wealthy and prepared to spend a few thousand euro, perhaps this company could arrange something. Marco polo (talk) 19:53, 14 June 2011 (UTC)


 * For questions about cities, see http://www.askalo.info/. For questions about travel within Paris, you can post your question at http://paris.askalo.fr/Voyages/602/.  That page appears to be only in French.
 * —Wavelength (talk) 20:03, 14 June 2011 (UTC)


 * You can ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Airports or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cities or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject France/Paris or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Travel and Tourism.
 * —Wavelength (talk) 20:09, 14 June 2011 (UTC)


 * See http://wikitravel.org/en/Paris#Get_around. Even if it does not answer your question, it probably has other information useful to you.
 * —Wavelength (talk) 20:15, 14 June 2011 (UTC)


 * See also http://www.bnf.fr/en/collections_and_services/information_retrieval_aids/a.ask_a_librarian_sindbad.html
 * and http://en.parisinfo.com/paris-map/getting-around/.
 * —Wavelength (talk) 21:13, 14 June 2011 (UTC)