Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Miscellaneous/2011 November 4

= November 4 =

Office Chair Wheel
Hello.

I have a broken chair wheel from an office chair, similar to the one shown in this picture (i.e I have the wheel attached to some length of the chair leg). http://www.championseating.com/storefront/images/items/320x320/soft-wheel-caster.jpg Now I have no interest in fixing the chair. I'm instead looking for weird/novel uses for this thing. The wackier the better, but I'm looking especially for ideas which involve modifying the wheel/leg (albeit simply). It doesn't have to be a sustainable thing; if I can do it once, that would be enough for me to say "Wow look at how wacky I can bee with this broken chair wheel).

Many thanks.

128.250.5.248 (talk) 04:41, 4 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Backscratcher ... or more of a self-massager than a scratcher. Mitch Ames (talk) 10:04, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * A rather narrow Rolling pin that would leave interesting tracks on your pie crust. A good talking point at dinner parties perhaps. Alansplodge (talk) 17:35, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The wheel on a hobby horse. Dismas |(talk) 17:48, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Hmm these are not as crazy as I'd hoped... but all the input is greatly appreciated. Thanks guys,114.77.39.141 (talk) 14:00, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Police Line
Something like or  is what I would call a "police line", and given the names of those files I'm evidently not the only one. However our police line article is a redirect to caution tape, which is clearly something completely different. I can't find this definition of 'police line' as 'a line of police' really mentioned anywhere on Wikipedia, and a Google search turns up plenty of results, but nothing (at least in the first three or so pages) I'd really say could be used to base an article or article section on. What are other people's opinion on this term? Is there an alternative term that is in more common usage? Can anyone locate decent refs? Thanks, --jjron (talk) 05:50, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * IMO, it's not worth an article. It's a line of police. What more is there to say? Clarityfiend (talk) 06:09, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but the question wasn't whether or not it needs an article... --jjron (talk) 06:36, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * D'oh. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:43, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The term is used ambiguously for a line of police, and also for a line designated by the police.   D b f i r s   08:58, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Our article on Kettling (a UK police tactic for isolating and detaining a crowd to prevent disorder), uses the term "cordon" for the line of police that you describe. The associated wikilink isn't very helpful, but I believe it derives from the French term Cordon sanitaire. Alansplodge (talk) 09:29, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Why do you say it derive from "cordon sanitaire" rather than just, you know, "cordon" - which in ordinary English means "a separation or barrier"? --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 10:21, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Because it's a loanword from French which just means "string". It doesn't make any sense unless you go via that route. Just my opinion; I'll try to find a reference. Alansplodge (talk) 10:59, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * No, you're quite right PalaceGuard; "Sense of "a line of people or things guarding something" is 1758." while "Cordon sanitaire (1857), from French, a guarded line between infected and uninfected districts.". We live and learn, but grow not the wiser. Alansplodge (talk) 11:04, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Cheer up, Alan - "The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool" - therefore, because you know you're not wise, you're wise after all. But only because "Shakespeare" says so, not because you say so.  :) --   Jack of Oz   [your turn]  19:40, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Shakespeare stole it from Socrates, who got it from Apollo. Sort of.  See the Apology, paragraphs 6-10.  Textorus (talk) 10:14, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Some big cities in the US traditionally had things like wooden sawhorses which were about 14 feet long had "POLICE LINE" stencilled on them. They were phased out in first decade of this century in favor of "French barriers" made of aluminum, which look like bike racks. There is plenty of material for an article about "police lines." Reporters for many years in the US have referred to these physical barriers, made of wood or even wire fence as the "police line," but they also referred to a line of police standing still or charging at a crowd as a "police line." 1900 example: the police line was just a line of police. 1919: "police line" and "police band" used interchangeable.1937 example: the police line charged the strikers. 1933 example: crowd breaches police line made of wire fence. The New York City police made very frequent use of such barricades to keep crowds away from something, like when the Beatles visited in 1964. Lesser towns would have just stationed police at as close intervals as their numbers allowed and told people to not cross their "line" or they would be arrested. Such a low-budget police line might also stretch yellow caution tape to mark the line, so it is easier to determine when someone has transgressed and deserves arrest. During the Bush II presidency, police started using lengths of snow fence to encircle and capture masses of demonstrators, along with a few "innocent bystanders," so they could be handcuffed with disposable plastic handcuffs and locked up somewhere behind chainlink fence to prevent continued demonstrations, an effect that would not have worked with sawhorses or plastic tape. During the 1968 demonstrations at the Democratic convention in Chicago, the police had to grab individual demonstrators, beat them into submission, and collect them in paddy wagons, a far less inclusive process that the use of lengths of snow fence to collect a crowd as if they were livestock. Chicago likely had the sawhorse barriers, but in the 1968 protests, "police line" usually referred to a line of police, who might be marching forward to push back demonstrators. It might also be a line of police and National Guard forces in Jeeps blocking a street.  Edison (talk) 15:10, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * You may be interested in this newsreel of a 1961 anti-nuclear demonstration in London. The police method of holding back the crowd was to link arms and push (seen after 1:50 of the video). As they found out later, with less amenable crowds, this left no means for the policeman to defend himself. Alansplodge (talk) 17:31, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks all, some good answers. Yes, cordon sounds to be a likely candidate, should have thought of that (I was trying to determine the appropriate term in the guise of some photos I took during the police actions clearing Occupy Melbourne protesters, linked to the Occupy Wall Street movement). Perhaps (per Edison) 'police line' is a newer more literal terminology, maybe originating in the US. I'll look further into it. Another related question: when police (or others) form a line during a Search and rescue operation, or looking for remains in a field, or similar, that doesn't really sound like cordon would appropriate - any ideas what you'd call that? Again I would just have said 'police line'. Cheers, --jjron (talk) 03:40, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The article BTW needs work, see which I changed. Nil Einne (talk) 13:22, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Loan
I intend to purchase a two wheeler which is likely to cost around Rs 53,000/. I have enough money to fund the purchase without any loan. However, my organization is offering me a loan of Rs 40,000/ at 10% interest( monthly rests) EMIs to be paid either for 24 or 36 months( as I choose). I am debt free at present.Which is financially more prudent, to take a loan or to fund it in one go using my own resources? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.180.190.128 (talk) 11:33, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * This depends on whether you can invest your savings with a return greater than 10% (unlikely in the current economic climate, but possible with some risk). Check exactly how the 10% will be levied (is it a true Annual percentage rate?), then set up the repayments on a spreadsheet to see how much you will pay in total.  Do the same with your savings and see which option leaves you with more money at the end.    D b f i r s   12:39, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * You should get financial advice from an independant financial advisor, not random people on the internet. --Tango (talk) 12:50, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Really Tango? That would be a very inefficient way to figure out the best course of action. 53000 Rs is USD 1000, there is no way that an independant financial advisor would cost less than the interest on 1000 USD for 36 months. --Lgriot (talk) 14:56, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * True, it is probably in the OP's interests to get advice from us. It is not in our interests to give it, though. Giving professional advice (other than to friends and family) without being a professional is not a good plan. --Tango (talk) 19:55, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I would agree with this, it is in the OP interest, not in ours. He is not offering to help improve wikipedia in return for our help :-) --Lgriot (talk) 09:50, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Not to mention highly illegal in many developed financial markets.DOR (HK) (talk) 08:17, 6 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Is there such thing as a budget adviser in India? I can't find any evidence from a search. In NZ, there are non profits who help with this sort of low level budgeting advice for free, including I'm sure helping to work out whether you have much chance of making a net return (as said above, seems unlikely). I agree getting an independent financial adviser probably won't be cost effective (note the loan was Rs 40,000 not 53,000) although suspect it will depend if the OP can find someone willing to advise on relatively simple matter like that without a large upfront fee. According to the maximum hourly income for the related financial planner in India would be ~US$30-US$40 although fee charged on an hourly basis, and you can expect to pay Rs 10,000 - 25,000 for a financial plan (which is clearly way beyond what the OP is looking for). Nil Einne (talk) 22:06, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

---No, it would be monthly rests. That is to say, interest would be calculated after deducting the principal component every month. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.177.99.92 (talk) 16:10, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Unless you have something better to spend the Rs 53,000 on, I suggest buying it yourself. A loan is an ongoing liability and you have no idea what will happen in 12 months, let alone 24 or 36 months; for example, will you even be with the same employer?  What happens if they let you go or you find a better job, will your current employer want the loan cleared before you can move on?  Astronaut (talk) 16:39, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Beatles Song
I listened to this thinking this was the original version, until I got the real version (shorter by almost a minute) and realised this has been covered by someone else. Can anyone tell me who the singer is? Here's the url: http://media.bellsmedia.com/devaprem/trackz/mp3/Miscellaneous/youve_got_to_hide_your_love_away.mp3

Thanks in advance. 223.190.199.235 (talk) 12:45, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Bam! Please see the WikiPedia entry for this song. TheGrimme (talk) 16:24, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Yup, done that, so how does that help? Richard Avery (talk) 19:20, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

I've already read that article. Knowing the names of people who cover versions of this song won't help me to identify who did this cover, will it? I don't know enought to tell from the person's voice alone, but I was hoping someone from the desk will have heard this version somewhere. 27.57.204.36 (talk) 19:57, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Not that it's of any help (but it might spare others the hassle), I used Shazam for about four different segments, and got nothing. Calliopejen1 (talk) 01:14, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Nope, I don't recognize it either; but it's a very pleasant rendering of the song.Chief41074 (talk) 03:19, 5 November 2011 (UTC)


 * The version that matches in length is that by Waking Hours (on "Ultimate Love Songs" in 2010, not mentioned in the article), but I haven't downloaded it to compare.   D b f i r s   08:14, 5 November 2011 (UTC)


 * The file is in a subdirectory called "devaprem". When googling "devaprem", I get the suggestion "did you mean Deva Premal. If you take a look at the other contents at the site under the "devaprem" subdirectory, you will find this video, which clearly shows Deva Premal and Andy Desmond aka Miten playing (the video matches the photographs in our articles). Listening to other songs at the site, such as the Here Comes the Sun cover, where both Deva Premal and Miten sing, and comparing with other clips on youtube, convinces me that the singer is indeed Andy Desmond aka Miten. --NorwegianBluetalk 11:34, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Confirmed: The Facebook discography of Deva Premal and Miten, says that albums can be purchased at "http://www.bellsmedia.com/shop", which matches the url provided by the OP. Checking out the site, following the link "Download MP3s", leads to "downloads.prabhumusic.net", where there is a "Beatles tribute" by "Deva Premal and Miten, following the link from there leads to, which features a short clip of the song linked to by the OP. --NorwegianBluetalk 11:49, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

*_* Wow. I learnt a thing or two about investigating! Thanks so much guys. Now, where is that resolved label? =) 27.57.204.102 (talk) 06:04, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Passenger Ships
I'm supposed to travel from the States to Australia in February. I don't fly unless it's absolutely necessary, and would like to look into making the trip by boat. I'm not looking for a cruise ship, but rather a passenger ship. Do they even exist anymore? I called a couple of travel agents from my local yellow pages, and you would think I was asking about the next shuttle to Pluto. If anyone could offer me any advice on where to start looking, it would be greatly appreciated. I'm not looking for luxurious accomodations, but would still like to travel reasonably comfortably. I live in the Philadelphia area, but would likely sail from New York. Joefromrandb (talk) 13:20, 4 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Probably the best you'll do is a cabin on a cargo ship - see this Observer article. Your trip will surely be shorter, cheaper, and less arduous if you travel overland (train?) to a west cost port like LA. -- Finlay McWalterჷTalk 13:31, 4 November 2011 (UTC)


 * (EC) Finlay has it, as I was going to say much the same thing. You may also wish to consider the Baracus method, though I'm not sure how many airlines would be willing to render you unconscious before takeoff. UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 13:39, 4 November 2011 (UTC)


 * For an idea of times and costs, this company has some itineraries. They have one ship that does NY->Sydney in 33 days; at a €110/day that totals about $5,000 USD and a month to go one way (so two months and $10,000 for the return trip). I imagine it's a deal shorter and cheaper if you sail from LA, but you may need to change in Singapore, Hong Kong, or Shanghai.  Flying takes about a day each way and (an Orbitz search I just did suggests) costs about $1,700 return. -- Finlay McWalterჷTalk 14:02, 4 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Also regarding cargo ships, Strand Travel has a voyage Long Beach, California to Sydney taking 21 days for c. US$4000. You should note that this sort of voyage isn't any good if you have to be there for a specific date: there is a limited number of sailings, you often have to book far in advance, and there are frequent changes to schedules - Strand's FAQ is useful.
 * Alternatively, you say you don't want a cruise ship, but some cruise companies such as HAL sail from the USA (Florida) to Australia; for that sort of thing you could contact them direct or speak to a travel agent. Again, you will not have much choice when they sail.  Note that going by boat will always be far more expensive than flying, which is probably why there are so few passenger vessels. --Colapeninsula (talk) 14:11, 4 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Questions like this come up on the Reference Desk several times a year. The website http://www.seat61.com has some info on ground-based travel, though mostly trains. You could also check Cunard, a cruise line that still does long crossings of oceans. This search will give links to some of the previous discussions on the Reference Desk. Another option might be to go the other way around the globe from New York, through Europe and then either Russia/China or India. Jørgen (talk) 14:38, 4 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Hey Joe, I can relate to the white-knuckle syndrome (a few stiff pre-boarding drinks helps a lot). A cursory search shows that lines such as Princess, Carnival, Royal Caribbean, Holland America, etc., offer cruises from San Diego to Honolulu.  Then other similar companies have cruises from Honolulu to Sydney.  If you are flexible in your dates and money is not a big problem, you could probably cobble together your own itinerary, and on much more comfortable ships than a freighter would likely be (not that I've been on either kind).  The two sites I glanced at are here and here.  Also, if you search under the Cruises tab on travelocity.com, there are some round-the-world cruises that leave from San Diego and include Sydney among their ports of call - I don't know if it's possible to book passage for just that segment of the trip, but a phone call to the cruise line (Holland America) wouldn't cost anything to find out.  Hope this helps, and good luck to you.  Textorus (talk) 14:59, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Although I understand that it can be very difficult to fly if you have a condition, loosing 33 days of my life on a boat with nothing to do seems a very, very extreme solution to a psychological problem. But, yes, everyone above is right, passenger ships do not exist any longer for long distance travel, it is all either cargo ships or cruise ships now. --Lgriot (talk) 15:29, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * However, if you want to break your neck falling off a mountain top, blast into outer space, or go swim with sharks, it's quite easy to arrange nowadays. As my travel agent told me, "Much Madness is divinest sense . . ."  Textorus (talk) 16:01, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * My partner has a deathly fear of flying, but his doctor has prescribed some kind of sedative (sorry, I can't remember what it is) that he takes 30 minutes before takeoff. It makes him very laid back, a bit cheerful, and dopey.  He still has a minute or two of (muted) anxiety during takeoff but then tends to fall fast asleep for the remainder of the flight.  Maybe you should see a physician who could prescribe something suitable for you.  Traveling from the east coast of the US to Australia, you will probably have to take off at least twice, so you may need more than one dose.  Marco polo (talk) 16:14, 4 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you all for the many responses! I certainly haven't ruled out a cruise ship. I just wasn't sure if a cruise ship would be able to accomodate my return trip. (I was of the notion that cruise ships only stay in each port for a short time.) And yes, when I must fly, stiff doses of drink and and a few benzodiazapines do take the edge off; it still leaves me uncomfortable. When I'm over land, I can generally tough it out, but no amount (at least no safe amount) of pills seems to comfort me when I'm over water. I do realize it's a ridiculous amount of time and money to spend to avert a simple, extremely safe airplane flight. I'm still not sure as to which option I'll take, but I certainly appreciate all of the advice!! Joefromrandb (talk) 01:04, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * You could save nearly all the money, but at the cost of an even more ridiculous amount of time, by sailing there directly as a volunteer crew on a private cruising sailboat. There are several websites, such as this one which aid the matching of prospective crew with the captains of small boats seeking help for long passages. -- 110.49.251.173 (talk) 02:18, 5 November 2011 (UTC)


 * You might also consider signing on as the crew to some ship headed there or back. I'm sure they have some jobs that don't require any experience, like handling a mop.  I doubt if they pay much, but free room and board ought to be included.  Be sure you find out the exact arrangements, though, or you might end up in a hammock in a room with several other workers.  Right about now $10K might be looking like a real bargain. :-) StuRat (talk) 01:38, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Oscar Wilde's wallpaper
There is a famous Oscar Wilde quote, "My wallpaper and I are fighting to the death, one of us has to go", which he is supposed to have said about his room at the Hotel d'Alsace in Paris a month before his death. What I'm wondering is, are there any descriptions or perhaps even any photographs of this wallpaper? 114.74.182.189 (talk) 15:25, 4 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Here's the room, but it's long since been redecorated. However, in the late 19th century, when wallpaper was the Next Big Thing, people went a little crazy with big, bold repeating patterns, and that's the background of the famous short story The Yellow Wallpaper.  Textorus (talk) 15:45, 4 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Wow... It's certainly looking a lot more luxurious now than it would have in Oscar's time. 114.75.14.103 (talk) 16:55, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Half a Shandy
Transatlantic quandary: can anyone explain why half a shandy is more exciting than an O.J., exactly? Textorus (talk) 21:09, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Half a shandy at least has some alcohol content to it (being a mix of lager and lemonade). Orange juice is described as boring because it is non-alcoholic. --Viennese Waltz 21:11, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Not a lot though - typically it's 50:50 mix of lemonade and a weak bitter, so probably 3% alcohol in the beer, diluted to 1.5%, and volume half pint (285 ml), around 0.43 UK Unit of alcohol. I doubt if you would even notice any effect - well I wouldn't! BTW, if it's a purchased ready made shandy in a tin, it's likely to be less than 1%.  Ron h jones (Talk) 21:25, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Beer and lemonade?? SRSLY?  Textorus (talk) 21:50, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, yes. Transpacifically speaking, it was the 1950-1970s equivalent of a low-strength beer.  My Dad often had a shandy in mixed company, and women would frequently have a shandy if they were tired of "Pimms No. 1 Cup".  Very uncommon these days.  Btw, it's just called a "shandy" here, not "half a shandy".  To us, a half a shandy is a glass half full (or half empty if you're that type of person) of beer mixed with lemonade.  --   Jack of Oz   [your turn]  22:52, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Of course lemonade in the UK is a artificially sweetened, carbonated, slightly acid drink, a bit like 7Up without the flavour. Richard Avery (talk) 22:57, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Right on. Beer mixed with lemonade made from your actual lemons would no doubt be somewhat ghastly, hence Textorus's reaction.  --   Jack of Oz   [your turn]  23:11, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * In the UK, "half a shandy" is an order for a (full) half-pint glass of shandy as opposed to a pint glass half-full of shandy, since we order beer in (usually specified) halves or (default unspecified) pints (⅓-pint glasses are also legal, though sadly uncommon - they allow one to sample a larger number of different beers before becoming too drunk to appreciate their subtleties; draught beer must by law be served in multiples of ⅓ or ½ of a pint). A stronger variation is the bitter or lager "tops", in which the glass is filled with beer/lager to an inch from the brim and then topped off with lemonade. Shandy is perhaps more generally drunk in the Summer in order to quench thirst without getting too drunk, tops suits some of those who dislike the degree of bitterness in the beer or lager in question. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.193.78.58 (talk) 23:48, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * We do, of course, have an article on the shandy. (In German-speaking countries, you'll encounter the same recipe as the Radler.)  It may sound crazy to the uninitiated, but it's a superb thirst-quencher after a sunny day of hiking in the Alps. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 02:59, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * In Southern Germany, Radler is ubiquitous, typically made from Export and clear lemonade.In the Northern parts, it's called "Alster" or "Alsterwasser", and usually made with Pilsner. Both can now be bought pre-mixed in bottles now (although that's still unusual), and both are quite enjoyable. On the other hand, I had a Shandy in London once, that, apparently, was made from a very dark ale and lemonade, and was quite awful to my taste. It also seems to fill a different niche, being so sweet that it was not useful as a thirst quencher. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 07:00, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * You can definitely find a Radler made with dark beer (Dunkles Radler) in Bavaria as well (though the Dunkel is generally a dark lager rather than a dark ale). It's not really my cup of tea, either&mdash;but since the Hofbräuhaus sells it by the liter, I'm assuming that someone likes the stuff. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 16:32, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

This is getting dangerously close to cocktails. Of which I had a spiced rum with half-coke-half-black recently, and it tasted quite nice. Given my town of origin, mixing black with anything except Stones or Grenadine is considered weird... mixing coke with beer is weird. Fifelfoo (talk) 07:38, 5 November 2011 (UTC)


 * When I was growing up in the Midlands, a shandy was often made with half bitter and half ginger beer - if you try asking for one of those these days, the barman will look at you like you're mad. Mikenorton (talk) 08:58, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the great answers, guys. I had a Pimm's Cup once; it was, how do you say. . . topping. Made me feel like putting on a boater and punting with a Victrola - or something like that. But I think I'll pass on the shandy, thank you very much. (Why ruin a perfectly good glass of beer?) Textorus (talk) 09:37, 5 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, of course, if your beer is already thin, fizzy, sweet and low in alcohol content, then there is no point in a shandy ;) If, on the other hand, you want something cool and thirst-quenching, with a bit of alcohol, using only what a pub in guaranteed to have behind the bar, you pick a shandy. Possibly less necessary in these days of lagers and even low alcohol lagers, but then I still know many lovely pubs that don't always have those. 86.163.1.168 (talk) 10:53, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Bloody Poms, rubbing Real Ale in Australian's faces all day. And so the great beer-nationalism-culture debate was averted by wikipedian's high moral fibre  Fifelfoo (talk) 11:25, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * You forgot to properly wikilink beer is already thin, fizzy, sweet and low in alcohol content... :) Roger (talk) 13:13, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * What, there's another kind of beer? Really?  In this universe?  Textorus (talk) 14:05, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * That reminds me of this joke: Q: Why is American Beer like making love in a canoe? A: Because it's fucking close to water.  -- Jayron  32  20:11, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * LOL Jayron. Textorus (talk) 21:13, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * It's at about the 1 minute mark of this item: Watch the whole thing, if you haven't seen it before. It's a hoot. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 04:05, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Just to throw something else in the mix, in Sheffield, shandy is traditionally made with black beer and lemonade. --TammyMoet (talk) 14:11, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Does anyone know offhand -- can a Little Deuce Coupe really do 140?
Miles per hour. Seems rather unsafe to say the least, but I was wondering if it was even mechanically plausible. Vranak (talk) 22:32, 4 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Quite likely. I've exceeded 100 mph in a 1983 Toyota Tercel; which was not a car known to be optimized for speed.  If that tiny 1.2 liter, 4-cylinder engine can do a buck, a Duece Coupe with a 3.6 liter Flathead V8 engine should be able to do 140 quite easily; especially if optimized with things like blowers and turbo chargers.  -- Jayron  32  23:13, 4 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Three words: location, location, location. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:42, 5 November 2011 (UTC)


 * And yes, they were quite dangerous. Cars are dangerous enough now, but were really deadly back "in the day", even at much lower speeds, as James Dean found out. StuRat (talk) 03:13, 5 November 2011 (UTC)


 * The muscle car article goes into a lot of detail about the performance of those high-powered machines. Textorus (talk) 09:59, 5 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Not really. The muscle car article doesn't get into cars before the 1960s.  While Deuce Coupes were popular in the early 1960s as "classic" muscle cars (due largely to the ease by which they could be modified and their light body&chasse), they were built in the 1930s.  Technically, a Deuce Coupe is the 2-seater (coupe) varient of the 1932 Ford Model B/Model 18, the most famous modified "Deuce Coupe" was the car driven by John Milner in American Graffiti, a yellow 1932 Model 18 with the engine compartment exposed.  I'm not sure that a "stock" Model 18 could get over 100 mph (the Flathead V8 in use at the time was rated for something like 65 horsepower); but a heavily modified Deuce Coupe, like the one seen in American Graffiti, probably could.  If you look at the configuration of the Model 18, swapping out the engine for a more powerful engine is fairly easy, since you've essentially got access to the entire engine compartment.  The article Textorus I think was looking for was Hot rod.  -- Jayron  32  15:53, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, "muscle car" is what I was looking for, by a not-too-precise free association with the Beach Boys' song Little Deuce Coupe and my own memories of the later 1960s. But you are quite right, hot rods go back much further than the muscle cars.  To me, a hot rod was something you modified and cobbled together on your own, while a muscle car was bought ready-made from the dealership, ready to go; I'm not sure if that's everyone's definition, though.  Textorus (talk) 16:27, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * All true, but a Deuce Coupe would not be a muscle car, regardless of when the song was written. A car manufactured in 1932 was born about 30 years too soon for the muscle car era, but the Deuce Coupe was a favorite of hotrodders because of its light weight and ease of modification (another favorite was the Model T (aka T-Bucket) for much the same reasons).  The unmodified Deuce Coupe wouldn't have been powerful or fast enough to be a "muscle car".  -- Jayron  32  20:08, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * This conversation has reminded me of a famous hot rod I haven't thought of for a long, long time. Textorus (talk) 21:10, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Which was a heavily modified T-bucket. Our article on the Little Deuce Coupe mentions that that cover art car was a Ford Model A with an Oldmobile V8 engine. 75.41.110.200 (talk) 18:16, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * No it doesn't. It says it was a 1932 Ford Coupe, which was a Model B/Model 18.  The Model A ceased production in 1931.   -- Jayron  32  20:22, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

year book
hi my name is john jmarucheau my dog tag b15-38-70 i was in the navy from 68 to 72 did my training in great lakes i never got my year book i would like to no if i can still get one if so please call if you need to ask me anything. i was on the uss newport lst 1179 in little greek va so please let me no if you send a year book. thank you for your time E3 deck hand marucheau — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.200.192.236 (talk) 22:39, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * phone numbers redacted per Wikipedia policy -- Jayron  32  23:03, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * This is an online encyclopedia, John. We do not have anything to do with providing year books or anything else except information, and that's all viewable here.  We don't contact readers individually.   You may need to get in touch with your naval records department.  --   Jack of Oz   [your turn]  22:44, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Under the FAQs for Recruit Training Command at Naval Station Great Lakes, it says this:
 * Q. The Keel (Yearbook for Recruits) - I was wondering if there is anyway to get a copy of my Year Book or how to get in touch with that department? Time frame was early 60s.
 * A.The longer the time after the publication of a yearbook, the less likely you are to obtain a copy. RTC contracts with a publisher for a certain number of copies based on the size of the recruit division and pre-sale of the yearbook. The only way to obtain a copy of a yearbook is to find someone who was in your recruit division and buy it from him or her. Please do not email us asking for copies of the Keel or the name of the publisher. If it has been longer than a year since your graduation, you will not be able to buy a copy of the Keel from the publisher. You must find someone who was in your class and buy it off of him or her.
 * So maybe you should search on eBay or other places for it. Good luck.  Textorus (talk) 09:52, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Sonic Heroes Blender 3d
I'm making a Sonic Heroes fan game,but I need Blender models,where can I get some\? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.71.62.59 (talk) 23:17, 4 November 2011 (UTC)