Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Miscellaneous/2011 October 10

= October 10 =

Articles that link to an image
I'm not sure the best place to ask about this. I went into the image of "Young Bekie" in Ballad. In the File links section it says No pages on the English Wikipedia link to this file. Shouldn't it say that Ballad links to it? Slight Smile  02:12, 10 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Hm, weird. But, you're right; allow me to point you to Help desk.  Comet Tuttle (talk) 02:14, 10 October 2011 (UTC)


 * While CT is right it's better to ask this question at the help desk, the reason it was happening is because the article was using a redirect rather then the file itself. The file was renamed in March this year but the usage in the article was not changed. I have modified the article to use the new name  so it now shows up. Nil Einne (talk) 15:55, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Lack of beef hot dogs in Israel
So I have a simple question no Israeli has been able to answer for me as of yet. Why is it that there is not one beef hot dog in the whole State of Israel? I know the beef isn't very good oftentimes, but it's no reason to have only chicken and turkey dogs. So why are there no beef dogs there? Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie &#124; Say Shalom! 12 Tishrei 5772 07:24, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * See ... there are kosher beef hot dogs in Israel it seems.  Collect (talk) 08:04, 10 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I was wondering about any beef hotdogs really regardless of whether they have kashrut certification. Kashrut certification's not as important as it used to be. What? There are? O_O Haven't seen those before, though I am familiar with the brand. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie &#124; Say Shalom! 12 Tishrei 5772 15:18, 10 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Careful, Collect, or you'll get your spelling of kosher "corrected" (scare quotes very much intended) by the OP. --Viennese Waltz 09:00, 10 October 2011 (UTC)


 * VW—SWMFP did not specify a kashrut status. Kashrut status was only introduced in a response. Kashrut status was not specified in the posted question. Obviously there is a difference between a kasher hot dog and a non-kasher hot dog, but this doesn't seem to be the essence of this question. Bus stop (talk) 11:30, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * A kosher beef hot dog is a "beef hot dog." (In the US, "Hebrew National" is a major producer of hot dogs.) I sued the term because it is the term found in the source I gave. Cheers, but the question posed was answered. Collect (talk) 12:00, 10 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I mostly purchase Abele and Heymann's here which not only complies with the laws of kashrut, but is also certified glatt (something that Hebrew National lacks). Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie &#124; Say Shalom! 12 Tishrei 5772 15:30, 10 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Actually, if I checked carefully enough, the source refers to kosher style hot dogs. But I guess, why quibble? Bus stop (talk) 12:12, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

The Tirat Tzvi sausages referred to in the chowhound source are made on Kibbutz Tirat Zvi and are widely available in Israel and in kosher shops in many other countries. --Dweller (talk) 12:32, 10 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Widely available? How come I have never seen them anywhere in Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, up north in Nahariyya or elsewhere? Believe me I liked hard for those three precious letters that make up the word for beef (בקר)and never had any luck. My Israeli girlfriend has not seen such frankfurters in Israel and none of my Israeli dig supervisors knew of them. Why, I wonder? O_O Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie &#124; Say Shalom! 12 Tishrei 5772 15:18, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Look for the "Tiv" brand. Personally, I've not seen any Tiv sausages that'd satisfy anyone larger than Mrs Pepperpot, but I doubt I've seen the full range.--Dweller (talk) 16:00, 10 October 2011 (UTC)


 * How can you miss'em? They're so brightly packaged, lol. :p Well I will confess that I saw packaged hot dogs of some sort that, as you said, look tiny, and didn't say (עוף - chicken in this context or הוד - Turkey, technically Indian, but it's a long story (Hebrew term for turkey = תרנגול הודו - Indian Rooster)), but they were in a bologna container looking thing and I couldn't read what it said, so I assumed it just said lamb (which I do not know the word for). I don't get why chicken dogs are (apparently) so popular in Israel. I know that the beef is typically not so good in Israel, but still. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie &#124; Say Shalom! 12 Tishrei 5772 16:12, 10 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Lamb is keves, kaf, vet, sin (I have no Hebrew font). --Dweller (talk) 09:18, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, now I know what to avoid. Thanks! :D If these wieners do exist I must be on the look out then next time. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie &#124; Say Shalom! 13 Tishrei 5772 21:00, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Another sausage, bologna, and its availability
So here's another sausage-related question. I have also had trouble finding bologna in Israel (by which I mean no luck). I will confess that I don't know the word for it in Hebrew and my gf does not. Is there bologna available in Israel? (Quick bit of advice: Looking up bologna and Israel or baloney and Israel on Google leads to flights between the Italian city as well as various anti-Israel things, respectively.) So is this noble fatty sausage available in the State of Israel? I do realise that it might also have a different name among Israelis (which I also don't know). Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie &#124; Say Shalom! 12 Tishrei 5772 16:21, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Oscar Mayer? Clarityfiend (talk) 22:50, 10 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Ha, nope, they don't sell Oscar Meyer there afair. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie &#124; Say Shalom! 12 Tishrei 5772 23:30, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Are there no Italian specialty food stores? You could surely also order mail order, no? Is kosher substitue for normally pork items an industry there? It is funny, I almost never eat anything but kosher beef franks here in the US. Love Nathan's. μηδείς (talk) 04:09, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Israel has an import tariff of 33%; I am not mail ordering jack. :p Beef bologna is the most common in the US I believe and that's what I'm after. They do have pork in Isael; heck, there's a pork factory (where they manufacture porks, not pigs, porks) right next to the Old Central Bus Station (with its crummy mall) Try the brand up above if you can find it; you'll be in heaven. :p Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie &#124; Say Shalom! 13 Tishrei 5772 21:00, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * You tend to get shops like that in places where there are lots of Italian expats, like America. I'm not sure there are too many Italians in Israel. The Jewish population of Italy today (never mind Israel) is just 45,000, according to our article. By comparison, the Italian-descent population of America is 17,800,000, according to this article. --Dweller (talk) 09:18, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Anyway, Bologna sausage, despite its name is an American thing, not really Italian at all. Bologna may be modeled after mortadella, which is Italian, but you won't find much bologna in Italy, and perhaps not in Israel either, since the proportion of Israel's population that originated in the United States is relatively small.  If it is to be found, you might find it in stores catering to American-Israelis, if there are such stores.  Marco polo (talk) 17:30, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Hmmm, well Israel has a lot of US influence so lots of stuff caters to Americanised Israelis, but the thing is I am now wondering if there isn't some equivalent thing in Israel. I wonder about the pastrami possibly. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie &#124; Say Shalom! 13 Tishrei 5772 21:00, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * You did read the link above which was provided for the sausage/frankfrutter thing but was discussing delis and mentions pastrami right? Nil Einne (talk) 23:39, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I skimmed looking for stuff about hot dogs. Other than that, not very closely. I know that you can find pastrami in Israel, but I don't really know what a pastrami is other than a type of sausage (I will look it up when I have the time.). :( Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie &#124; Say Shalom! 14 Tishrei 5772 00:11, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Would you have to pay that tariff on a small carepackage of meat sent as a gift? Or a book for that matter? And how much does it cost to pay the mail inspectors? μηδείς (talk) 03:02, 12 October 2011 (UTC)


 * You pay for any taxeable item. I've sent my gf gifts (including The Great Gatsby) before and there was a 33% tariff. You only don't pay on tariff-exempt items and prohibited items. Meat might be prohibited actually; I am not sure I remember. Ask the Interior Ministry that last question. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie &#124; Say Shalom! 15 Tishrei 5772 04:43, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

1906 NYT articles
Yes, they are online. However, the link changes every time for them; let's say from 1906 Florida hurricane, "104 Men Drowned on Florida Houseboat". The current link would be, but it'll change to another link later. Example page for a preview (not the PDF itself):. I want a permanent link for it. Thanks!  HurricaneFan 25  14:25, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Email Martin Nisenholtz digitalsvp at nytimes dot com 67.6.175.132 (talk) 02:59, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

EU highe education funding
Is there a good source of information regarding the public funding of higher education in EU countries? I am particularly interested in knowing which countries provide public funding for masters course fees, I understand Denmark does for one, are there many? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.67.38.22 (talk) 15:18, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Just as a general suggestion, it may help if you clarify your question since I suspect it's more poorly phrased then you realise. I believe most EU countries provide some funding for universities and some of this will usually go towards making masters course fees lower. This includes places like the UK England where there's usually a lot of concern about the rising cost of university including I think postgraduate study . (In other words, the answer probably includes most EU countries which I admit isn't a great answer in itself.) However it sounds like what you're looking for is countries which fund the fees close to the entirety so there are no fees (or very little) for the person taking the course, at least if they're local students. Nil Einne (talk) 16:22, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I mean countries where the public funding covers the entire cost of a taught masters course, so no money is paid to the institution of higher education by the enrolling student. Per EU regulations this grant is not dependant on the nationality of the student, as long as they are from an EU member state.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.67.38.22 (talk) 19:49, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * There is an exception to the above, which is that English students have to pay additional fees in Scottish Universities. I understand that this is being challenged in the European courts, but the UK government believes that this is an internal UK funding matter -- Q Chris (talk) 09:51, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not an exception, which is how the Scots get away with it. If it was national discrimination it would be clear cut, but since we are all British, it is an issue of residency. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.67.38.22 (talk) 23:49, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * This question have been asked before: . Norway, though not an EU country, has free higher education, and I think this still applies to all foreigners (there has been some debate on this recently). Most higher education is in Norwegian, but there are some programs in English. If you are interested, the web page of the University of Oslo, the country's largest university, is probably as good a place as any to start looking. Jørgen (talk) 20:07, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The OP has it right when he says "public funding". "Free" is not true, unless Norway is only taxing non-Norwegians. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:25, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Free 2.Obtainable without any payment. Example: The government provides free health care. . The point is that it is free at the point of use. Interestingly enough, you made the same pedantic point (which does not at all help in answering the question) in the previous discussion that I linked to. Jørgen (talk) 07:11, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not a pedantic point, it's the point that those who think it's "free" are deluding themselves. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 07:48, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * For people coming from outside that country it is effectively is free though. -- Q Chris (talk) 09:53, 11 October 2011 (UTC)