Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Miscellaneous/2012 March 21

= March 21 =

Shake It Up and Ballet
Do any of the cast of Shake It Up dance ballet? Have any of the cast of Shake It Up ever danced ballet? Have any of the cast of Shake It Up learnt how to dance ballet? Bowei Huang 2 (talk) 09:35, 21 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, probably. I (still) don't think you'll get an answer unless you precisely define "dance ballet". Most anyone can leap around their bedroom or do a twirl, so anyone can "dance ballet".--Shantavira|feed me 10:24, 21 March 2012 (UTC)


 * If you want an answer you may have to do the research yourself. If you go to the show's cast page on IMDb you will find the cast listed, together with links to biographies of many of them.  There may also be info on the show's official web site. --Colapeninsula (talk) 12:35, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Contract for sale and purchase of freehold property
In a contract for sale and purchase of a freehold property from the year 1953, appears the following: "The Title shall commence with a Conveyance on Sale dated [day and month] 1918 and made between ABC of the first part DEF of the second part and HIJ of the third part..." Can any user please explain what exactly this means? Thank you. Simonschaim (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:13, 21 March 2012 (UTC).


 * You should consult a lawyer, but I shall stick my neck out and say that the ownership starts on (day and date), and there are 3 parties to the sale. The rest of the contract will explain who is selling (the vendor), and who is buying. --TammyMoet (talk) 16:03, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * All is clearly explained here. AndrewWTaylor (talk) 17:07, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The answer will depend on the jurisdictions. In common law jurisdictions where title to land is by registration, the contract may only create an equitable interest for the purchaser, which will become actual legal title when the transfer is regisered with the appropriate government authority. If the legal effect of this contract actually matters to you, contact a lawyer in the relevant jurisdiction. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 10:22, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the answers up to now. This was a sale in England. This is not an actual legal case today. I am doing some historical research and do not understand what is the meaning of these words, especially "first part", "second part" and "third part".Simonschaim (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 11:33, 22 March 2012 (UTC).


 * "Parts" refer to the people involved, who are known as "parties". If I am selling a house to one person, I am the first party and the other person is the second party. As there are three parties named here, you will need to read further down the contract to see who is selling to whom - is there two vendors and one purchaser, or one vendor and two purchasers? --TammyMoet (talk) 13:14, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you TammyMoet. Studying other material on this sale, I can see that ABC sold the property to DEF and that HIJ was a solicitor. However, since HIJ is named as "third part", does that mean that in fact the property was sold to both DEF and HIJ? Simonschaim (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:13, 22 March 2012 (UTC).
 * You would need to go further into the document to ascertain HIJ's actual role. Come back to us with any queries you have on that. --TammyMoet (talk) 15:20, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

The document is for a transfer of ownership in 1953. In one of its paragraphs (the one I quoted here) it refers to the first transfer of ownership which took place in 1918 and in which the vendor was ABC. (Between 1918 and 1953 there were several further transfers of ownership, although they are not mentioned in this document of 1953.) What I quoted from this paragraph, is all that I know about this transfer of ownership in 1918. Simonschaim (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:16, 22 March 2012 (UTC).
 * Well, as you've already queried what the word "party" means, it makes me think that there may be other legalese items in the document that mean something other than what you think they do. There are other roles a solicitor could have played besides doing the conveyancing (the actual process of selling the house) - acting as guarantor is possible, for example. Or HIJ's occupation could have been that of solicitor, but was buying the house in a private capacity. I think what I'm saying is, show the whole document to someone who knows conveyancing law and ask them. --TammyMoet (talk) 08:34, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you TammyMoet.Simonschaim (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 10:25, 23 March 2012 (UTC).