Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Miscellaneous/2012 October 16

= October 16 =

A Defunct News Summary Website

 * http://cir.ca/

Circa News is a new iOS app that gives you condensed news. I think they hire copy editors to build shorted news for its readers. It reminds me of a short-lived news summary website, established or closed in maybe 2006.

I can't remember the details. I think they used to rewrite all news articles to less than 100 words. Anyway, they went out of business very soon. Anyone still remember that website? -- Toytoy (talk) 03:03, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Murder at 1600
If a dead body was really found at the White House in a bathroom stall by a cleaning lady, would the Metro Police have jurisdiction or would the FBI oversee an investigation?  DRosenbach  ( Talk 03:48, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Murders committed on federal property are handled by the FBI.A8875(talk) 05:48, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Your authoritative link is to TVTropes?
 * The FBI likes to point out that it is not a police force, so the question of conflicting police jurisdiction (whatever that means exactly, and I have to confess I'm not really sure) doesn't seem to come up. I am reasonably confident that the FBI would in fact investigate, which wouldn't in any way that I can see preclude the Metro Police from doing so as well.  As to who would "seal the exits, make sure no one gets out until I've had a chance to interview everyone!" and that sort of thing, my guess would be the United States Secret Service. --Trovatore (talk) 00:07, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Maybe is a better source (that's a podcast transcript from the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center. Apparently there are 3 types of federal properties: proprietary jurisdiction, exclusive jurisdiction and concurrent jurisdiction. Under proprietary jurisdiction the local police would handle all crimes. Under exclusive jurisdiction federal agencies would deal with all the crimes. Under concurrent jurisdiction it seems either the local police or the federal agencies can deal with any particular crime. I can't seem to find a reference for the jurisdiction of the White House, but it's possible it's concurrent jurisdiction, which would allow the local police to arrest someone on the premises.
 * What complicates the matter is that Washington DC itself is federal land. Since I'm not American, thinking about the interactions between state and federal levels gives me a headache, but maybe someone else can help out. Is the Metropolitan Police Force considered a federal agency? -Cucumber Mike (talk) 07:14, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Interesting find. Note however that it refers to "federal officers and agents" doing law enforcement in the "exclusive jurisdiction" zones,not the FBI specifically.  Could be the Secret Service, or could be the US Marshals Service; the latter is the agency that most closely resembles a "federal police force".  (There's something called the FBI Police, but apparently they police FBI facilities specifically.)--Trovatore (talk) 18:28, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Question from a non-American here. The wikilink helped me to understand the title, which would otherwise have been meaningless to me, but is 1600really a common nickname or similar for the White House in Washington? HiLo48 (talk) 17:06, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, the White House is often referred to in very informal situations as "1600 Pennsylvania Avenue." That would be its street address if it were an ordinary building, because it is at the intersection of Pennsylvania Avenue and 16th Street NW. In reality, the street address is not used by the U.S. Postal Service. That street address would have the Zip Code 20006, while the White House has its own Zip Code, 20500.  → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 17:59, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm going to have to slightly contradict Michael. The direct answer to HiLo's question is "no".  Everyone knows that address, but only whenPennsylvania Avenue is attached.  1600 by itself does not specially denote the White House.  --Trovatore (talk) 18:19, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Valid point. Thank you, Trovatore  → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 18:31, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Urgent suggestion about photos and other info
I am an expert regarding a few topics related to aviation and I have thousands of photos which could significantly help out with many existing Articles but I do not possess the skill necessary to do direct editing. Your organization should provide for an ability for people like me (who which to contribute content and photos) to contact the most recent authors of a given wiki article and offer to provide info and photos etc. so that they can improve their own content. I suspect that wikipedia has lost a lot of content because of the difficulty of people like me who have important info but not the skills to navigate the wiki edit program. Thanks    my email is (removed per policy)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.67.44.115 (talk) 13:58, 16 October 2012 (UTC)


 * It's an interesting point. You could always leave a note on the talk page of an article about a subject for which you have a relevant image, explaining that you aren't able to upload it yourself.  Maybe someone there will offer to upload it for you.  The tutorial at Uploading images is, by its own admission, rather technical, but that is because uploading images is a complex business.  --Viennese Waltz 14:24, 16 October 2012 (UTC)


 * You can contact the most recent authors of a given Wikipedia article by picking the 'View History' tab at the top of the article, and then picking the 'talk' link by the name of the recent author; but that may nt be very helpful, because it's quite possible that the last few dozen edits were all copy-editing or reverting vandalism. A message on the article's talk page, as Viennese Waltz suggests, will probably reach the people who have an interest in that article. But you might have most success in finding collaborators if you post your request to Wikipedia Talk:WikiProject Aviation. By the way, I would not call this urgent: Wikipedia has no deadlines. --ColinFine (talk) 16:38, 16 October 2012 (UTC)


 * In order for Wikipedia to to benefit from your generous suggestion, you will need to ask yourself three questions each time you identify a photograph you wish to offer. Is this image subject to copyright?  Do I own the copyright, or have a way of contacting the copyright holder?  And am I, or is the copyright holder, willing to license the image so that it can be reused in future by anyone who wants to do so, not just on Wikipedia but elsewhere?  If you can answer no to the first one, or yes to all three, then that's brilliant and the above suggestions are the way to go, with Files for upload also an option.  If not, then that particular image may be uploaded only in very limited circumstances, if at all. - Ka renjc 20:15, 16 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Note also that if you do contribute images in all the proper forms, some busybody will come along in a few months, change the required templates, and mark all the images for deletion because you didn't include your great aunt's maiden name. HenryFlower 04:16, 17 October 2012 (UTC)


 * As far as editing it, others can come along later and clean it up, as long as you first upload it with a clear copyright and place a link to it in the appropriate article (or talk page). I just recently did so myself, with a picture that was scanned, along with a ragged edge.  It was simple to trim off the ragged edge and upload the modified version.  Note that this instantly updates all links to the pic. StuRat (talk) 06:19, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

English country house - name that house
A picture of Edward Fitzalan-Howard, 18th Duke of Norfolk, right, has been uploaded to the Commons. The description alleges the Duke is pictured in front of Euston Hall, Yorkshire. We have nothing on that. We do have Euston Hall in Suffolk, which doesn't look like the same place. Duke of Norfolk may or may not help. Note there's also a possibility, of course, that the image isn't the 18th Duke of Norfolk. Or that I'm confusing myself from start to finish. Name that building. --Tagishsimon (talk) 17:55, 16 October 2012 (UTC)


 * As you suggested, I clicked each link in Duke of Norfolk. Compare the picture at Carlton Towers. —Tamfang(talk) 18:50, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Couldn't see for looking. --Tagishsimon (talk) 18:55, 16 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Is it perhaps Euston Hall, Yorkshire 92.0.98.72 (talk) 18:54, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
 * No, 92, Tamfang had already identified it by the time you posted that, and Google doesn't know about a "Euston Hall" in Yorkshire.--ColinFine (talk) 22:56, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

For the curious Euston Hall is in Suffolk (unless there's another one nobody knows about). Alansplodge (talk) 17:32, 17 October 2012 (UTC)


 * It just wouldn't be nice to change the caption on the photo of Euston Hall to read, "The Duke of Grafton (right)...", would it?--NellieBlyMobile (talk) 01:26, 19 October 2012 (UTC)