Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Miscellaneous/2012 September 1

= September 1 =

Heather Killough Walden--- Why was her page deleated?
Why was the Page on Heather Killough Walden deleted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.238.251.60 (talk) 00:00, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

I want the Page on Heather Killough Walden put back up! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.238.251.60 (talk) 00:05, 1 September 2012 (UTC)


 * It wasn't deleted. It was moved to User:Kayos627, presumably so the concerns that were raised about it (the subject not being notable and the article's tone being overly promotional) can be resolved. --Tango (talk) 00:55, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Dreams
I would first of all like to know if there is a place/thread/topic/forum or wiki article about inception (not the movie, not the band or the book...) - the actual phenomena. If there is one, please be kind and provide me a link where I can read about it :). The search machine is like google or youtube, type something in and you get at least 50 different stuff, 45(at least) of them not even related to the phenomena - which on wikipedia should be the mainly observed article. Prioritizing that may be hard but not impossible, either way, I thank you guys for any further answer or help with my 'question.

P.S: if there are no such articles, I would like it to be created and documented, I would gladly do it but the material that I have happened in my dreams, and by following your instructions that would be a "conflict of interests" - which totally negates the purpose of trying to help from self experienced situations. I had a very strange dream, I would like to know how that works, and mostly why and what it could possibly mean. Writing about myself in this case would not be any conflict, since(being a sane person) I believe a dream is a dream. To be more precise I am interested in the content of the >>>(3rd dream inside). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.105.220.74 (talk) 09:38, 1 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I am not clear quite what you mean by "the actual phenomena". The phenomenom that appears in the movie - the infiltration of someone's dream state - while it makes for an interesting premise in a movie, does not actually exist.  If you mean the dream within a dream aspect of the movie, where one dreams about ordinary life including going to sleep and dreaming, then the appropriate article might be false awakening.  However, the word "inception" has a different meaning altogether: inception.  Astronaut (talk) 11:04, 1 September 2012 (UTC)


 * You might also be interested in active dreaming. But, since we seem to lack an article on it, see Robert_Moss.  StuRat (talk) 11:10, 1 September 2012 (UTC)


 * The article Lucid dream may have some information, and may be very close to what StuRat is going for. -- Jayron  32  15:05, 1 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I see you found it after all, peterb52. Wasn't so bad, was it? -- O BSIDIAN  †  S OUL  17:00, 1 September 2012 (UTC)


 * On the subject of dreams: ]. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:10, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Is Princeton New Jersey part of the Delaware area?
Is Princeton New Jersey part of the Delaware area? Thanks! Neptunekh2 (talk) 12:52, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
 * It is near Delaware, an easy hour and a half drive. However, Delaware itself is not its own Metro area, and I've never heard any area outside of the state of Delaware refered to as in its "area".  Perhaps you mean the Delaware Valley, which is a term usually used to refer to the Greater Philadelphia area; the "Valley" part of the name of that area is not optional, to avoid confusion with the state.  Northern Delaware (New Castle County) is part of the Delaware Valley, but the other two counties (collectively and derisively "Slower Lower Delaware") are not.  I don't think it would be entirely inaccurate to describe Princeton as part of the Greater Philadelphia/Delaware Valley area, though it really lies in the area between Greater Philly and Greater New York.  I'm sure you'd find an equal number of Philadelphia Eagles and New York Giants fans there, so there would be considerable overlap.  -- Jayron  32  14:21, 1 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Read the Mercer County portion of the Delaware Valley article. Having been born in NY, spent 12 years in Delaware Valley schools, taken most of my undergrad education in NY and central Jersey, and lived most of my life in NYC, I agree fully with what it says. μηδείς (talk) 22:50, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Jersey questions: Is Irvington NJ a medium sized suburb of Newark? And is Neptune NJ a small or large city?
Is Irvington NJ a medium sized suburb of Newark? And is there safe parts in that suburb? And is Neptune NJ a small or large city? Neptunekh2 (talk) 18:27, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Irvington is a fairly urban, fairly unsafe neighbor to Newark. It is pretty much all either apartment towers, high-density but low level housing and commercial, a couple of parks I believe, and the Garden State Parkway.  One of the sets of apartment towers say they are gated, according to the ads you can see driving south on the Parkway, so I imagine it is safe inside of it, I am sure they would hire security.  Springfield Avenue, the main street through town, would be safe enough during the day, but I would be careful walking along it at night, if I was so unfortunate as to have to.  Neptune is spread out, again low level housing and a few apartment towers, but the city's fairly large in area so it adds up.  It used to be the poor section to Asbury Park, where African Americans lived, and so forth, now Asbury Park is much the same.  Bradley Beach is still nice, last time I was there (five years?) and Ocean Grove will always be Ocean Grove because most of it's privately owned.--Wehwalt (talk) 18:48, 1 September 2012 (UTC)


 * You wouldn't know you were leaving Newark and entering Irvington unless you had a map or saw signs, it is pretty much continuous with Newark and the same in character except for lacking Newark's downtown. Neptune City, NJ is very small, see the map at the article.  It differs from Neptune Township, NJ. μηδείς (talk) 19:25, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Antidepressants and shooting sprees
Is it possible that there is any connection between both? I saw a documentary on the shooting spree carried out by Kimveer Gill in Montreal, Canada. The same documentary explores the possibility of violent games and antidepressants influencing the shooters, and took examples such as Eric Harris, and others. Is there a possible link? Thank you. Mark. Alabamaboy1992 (talk) 21:12, 1 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, there is a possible connection, but probably not what you're thinking of. Whilst it's true that the killers you mention, and probably others, were taking anti-depressants, this doesn't necessarily mean that the anti-depressants caused the killings. Think of it like this: depressed people take anti-depressants, and depression is generally thought to be a factor in causing people to commit murder (here is a study on the subject). But it's the depression that is doing it, not the meds. The argument that anti-depressants cause homicide is a form of confirmation bias - it's like saying "each time it rains I put my coat on, therefore putting my coat on makes it rain". - Cucumber Mike (talk) 21:30, 1 September 2012 (UTC)


 * That's quite reasonable, but it may be more complicated than that. To oversimplify, depression involves two things:  feeling bad and feeling lethargic.  Depressed people generally feel bad but don't have the energy to do anything about it.  It's possible that antidepressants sometimes act more rapidly on the feeling lethargic than on the feeling bad, producing somebody who still feels bad but now had the energy to do something about it -- perhaps in some cases something violent, such as suicide or homicide.  That mechanism isn't well established, but psychiatrists are often trained to be on the lookout for it. Looie496 (talk) 22:39, 1 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, it's also possible that anti-depressants release violent behavior. That's speculation.  I highly doubt the pharmaceuticals would publish such research, if they had it. There is a huge self-reinforcing industry that thinks benzodiazepines are evul and that the 'accidental' suicides and murders committed by those on anti-depressants are just anecdotal. μηδείς (talk) 22:44, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I checked the statistics of mothers killing their children in the US after I saw a youtube vid claiming these crimes had grown to epidemic proportions after the introduction of SSRI's. If I remember correctly, the number of cases peaked in '85. From 86 until the most recent statistics available at the time (2005 or later), there was a steady decline . The first SSRI came on the market in '87, not exactly the correlation that video claimed. (it also mentioned the previous "epidemic" occured in the sixties, caused by LSD...) Ssscienccce (talk) 16:07, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * SSRIs don't cause or release violent behavior; however, as one factor amongst many others, they might make it just a bit more likely to engage in this kind of behavior...  Lova Falk     talk   18:47, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I didn't say cause. It does seem that one symptom of depression is a depression of behavior, so removal of that inhibition might logically "release" violent behavior.  I don't have any source worth quoting on this, unfortunately. μηδείς (talk) 19:28, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * You're right, you didn't say cause. I would go so far as saying that removal of inhibition might aid to release more active behavior - if ssri's would release violent behavior there would be a lot more violence in this world... Lova Falk     talk   19:36, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * The research is out there: it's well-known that the risk of suicide is greatest shortly after someone starts taking antidepressants. I don't know if similar studies have been done for murder or other violent crimes, though. --Carnildo (talk) 01:42, 6 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I think you meant cum hoc ergo propter hoc (i.e., correlation implies causation), not confirmation bias (which means giving more weight to evidence that supports your position). 81.98.43.107 (talk) 18:49, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Cocaine in Coca-Cola
The Coca-Cola article says that, at some unspecified point in time, Coca-Cola stopped using coca leaves which contained traces of cocaine. When did that happen? 69.62.243.48 (talk) 23:02, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
 * 1929 but the quantity had dwindled over the years. Dismas |(talk) 23:10, 1 September 2012 (UTC)