Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Miscellaneous/2014 October 30

= October 30 =

Peugeot Ads from 1970s to 1999
Is there a website that shows advertising posters of the following Peugeot vehicles:

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.29.32.180 (talk) 02:55, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Peugeot 104 3-door hatchback
 * Peugeot 104 4-door saloon
 * Peugeot 104 5-door hatchback
 * Peugeot 106 3-door hatchback
 * Peugeot 106 5-door hatchback
 * Peugeot 204 2-door convertible
 * Peugeot 204 2-door coupe
 * Peugeot 204 2-door van
 * Peugeot 204 4-door estate or station wagon in North America
 * Peugeot 204 4-door sedan
 * Peugeot 205 2-door convertible
 * Peugeot 205 3-door hatchback
 * Peugeot 205 5-door hatchback
 * Peugeot 206 2-door coupe
 * Peugeot 206 3-door hatchback
 * Peugeot 206 4-door sedan or saloon
 * Peugeot 206 5-door hatchback
 * Peugeot 206 5-door station wagon
 * Peugeot 304 2-door convertible
 * Peugeot 304 2-door coupe
 * Peugeot 304 2-door van (fourgonette)
 * Peugeot 304 4-door estate or station wagon
 * Peugeot 304 4-door saloon or sedan
 * Peugeot 305 3-door panel van
 * Peugeot 305 4-door sedan
 * Peugeot 305 5-door station wagon
 * Peugeot 309 3-door hatchback
 * Peugeot 309 5-door hatchback
 * Peugeot 404 2-door convertible
 * Peugeot 404 2-door coupe
 * Peugeot 404 2-door coupe utility (pickup)
 * Peugeot 404 4-door saloon
 * Peugeot 404 5-door station wagon or estate
 * Peugeot 405 4-door saloon or sedan
 * Peugeot 405 5-door station wagon or estate
 * Peugeot 406 2-door coupe
 * Peugeot 406 4-door sedan or saloon
 * Peugeot 406 5-door station wagon estate and
 * Peugeot 505 4-door saloon or sedan
 * Peugeot 505 5-door station wagon or estate
 * Peugeot 604 4-door saloon or sedan
 * Peugeot 605 4-door sedan or saloon
 * Peugeot J7 van

Please and thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.29.32.180 (talk) 02:47, 30 October 2014 (UTC)


 * I took the liberty of sorting your list and putting it in a more readable format. —Tamfang (talk) 06:51, 30 October 2014 (UTC)


 * I could not find a website dedicated to this so I simply googled "old peugeot adverts" and clicked "Images". Plenty of hits. 196.213.35.146 (talk) 09:37, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Merchant Marines
Can you find any information on the last "full masted" (?) ship to sail around Cape horn?

My Grandfather, Roland Van Kavelaar, was in the Dutch Merchant Marines. I remember him saying that he was on the last full masted ship to sail around Cape Horn and am interested in any information you can find about that last ship that sailed around the Cape.

I don't know if this will be helpful to know, but he was conscripted into the U.S. military - I think it was the Coast Guard - during World War II, so he must have become a U.S. Merchant Marine at some point.

Thank you, Carol Nordmeyer — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.187.64.104 (talk) 14:08, 30 October 2014 (UTC)


 * According to our Cape Horn article, the last commercial sailing ship to round it was the four-masted barque, Pamir, a German Flying P-Liner, in 1949. I don't know if this fits in with your time-scale. Note that merchant ships signed on sailors for each voyage, experience being more important than nationality. By the way, my grandfather rounded the Horn several times under sail at the turn of the 20th century, once taking 52 days to pass between the Atlantic and Pacific (or maybe the other way about, I can't remember). Alansplodge (talk) 15:00, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Nitpick, but contrary to the usual American usage, the 'van' in Dutch names should not be capitalised. Fgf10 (talk) 16:15, 30 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Pamir was an impressive vessel, and larger than most proper ships, but as a barque, she does not count as a fully rigged ship. A fully rigged ship carries square sails on all masts. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 12:49, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Quite right, but the OP asked about the last "full masted ship" which I took to mean all-sail propulsion. I haven't been able to find a source for when the last "fully rigged ship" rounded the Horn, but I suspect that it would have been considerably earlier. Alansplodge (talk) 14:45, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
 * In German (and I suspect in Dutch), a "Vollmast" (full mast) is a mast with square sails, so I think a "full masted ship" would be a "full ship". But your interpretation is certainly reasonable.  As far as I know, Pamir had no connection with the Dutch merchant navy. Maybe the OP can recall some extra information? --Stephan Schulz (talk) 15:21, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Duster
Does anyone know where I might be able to buy this type of duster? http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-jRkX1YHm70Q/UL6EpB0NrII/AAAAAAAABNM/URvDqC7GAGI/s1600/Cold-Days-by-Jim-Butcher-314x200.jpg Joneleth (talk) 14:18, 30 October 2014 (UTC)


 * A few questions that might help you get better answers: how close does it have to be? Are you using it for a costume or real-life purposes? What country are you in? Here's a costume coat that's somewhat similar, and here's a real coat . There will be huge differences in quality and price between costume and "real" versions. I'm not sure if Dresden's duster was leather or not, but here's an Amazon search for /leather duster/ . SemanticMantis (talk) 15:10, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Harry Dresden frequently referred to his duster as being leather, though Joneleth will have to go to considerable effort to add all the protective spells :-). {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195 (currently reading Ghost Story)} 212.95.237.92 (talk) 19:46, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
 * The best place to ask would probably be a tack shop/equestrian supplier. If it's not hanging on a rack, they'll know somebody who sells them. Fiddlersmouth (talk) 10:14, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Tutorial Etiquette in Cafes
Tomorrow I'm giving a private language tutorial in central London and I'll meet the student in a cafe, so we'll have to get drinks. What is the etiquette for buying drinks in this scenario? Should I buy myself a drink, charge my usual tuition fee and leave the student to decide for himself whether or not he's buying his own drink? Matt's talk 17:01, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
 * The general rule is that the host should provide the refreshment, so the answer will depend on which of you is the host - in other words, which of you suggested that you should meet at the cafe? If it was the student, then it's not unreasonable to wait for them to offer you a coffee - if it was you, then you definitely should offer them one.  That being said, the student is your customer (as well as your guest), and I'm sure the price of a coffee is a reasonable sum to invest in encouraging them to continue to engage your services. Tevildo (talk) 18:54, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Personally, I would arrange before with with the proprietor of of said  café (cafe makes it sound  so down-market) to set up  a tab were 'you' can  meet and greet each  student with a beverage of his/her choice. Then collect  the aggregated receipt and claim the cost back on  tax as 'hospitality'. You had  best run this by your accountant to find out what  is tax deductible for your  line of employment. If you are self-  employed this should make things easier. 'Tomorrow' is a  little too late to think about these things. Is this your very first  private language tutorial ? If you told  your students to rondevu at this café they expect the tutorial experience to start there.  Suddenly finding they have to buy their  own coffee may set them against you from the start. As you will doing this tomorrow, suffer the possible financial lose. Get the proprietor to put all purchases on one receipt and hope that your your accountant can claim it back. Next time you might be able to add it to the fee if that does not work. Just like  your students, it will be a learning experiance for you too. Good luck  with tomorrow, although I'm sure you don't need it.--Aspro (talk) 19:10, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
 * This may not be applicable to you but I include it just to show there are many ways that a good accountant can make the rich richer.corporate hospitality--Aspro (talk) 19:40, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Also, you could point out to the proprietor of café (unless it Starbucks or som'it) that an empty  café does not look inviting to passers by. But if you fill it up with your students it 'WILL'  entourage more patrons to walk in (sound  positive and confident). Then ask for a 30% discount on all purchases. He may well laugh and ask what have you been smoking this morning?. Yet who knows, he may beat you down to no more than a 10 percent discount, which is ten percent more than if you didn’t try. If you're going self-employed you'll need to become astute as to the many ways of saving the pennies. You have already learnt one of them – namely, getting free advice from Wikipedia ;-)--Aspro (talk) 19:30, 30 October 2014 (UTC)


 * If this were happening at your own place of business...and you offered them a soda from your fridge - I don't think you'd expect them to pay.  Similarly, if you went to someones house to teach, then you'd expect them to make the offer.  The problem is that you're on neutral territory.  I'd say that the person who suggested meeting in this place ought to be the one who pays - because the other person is being (in effect) forced to pay something that they didn't necessarily want.   If you'd chosen to meet someplace horribly expensive, I think it would be more clear that the horrendous expense would be yours...so this is all a matter of degree.  SteveBaker (talk) 19:23, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't get that anyone would be "forced" to pay anything, Steve. If a certain student doesn't want a coffee, nobody would be forcing one down their throats. --   Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  20:21, 30 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank you, everyone, for the free advice. Independent cafés in Mayfair are rather expensive and have no difficulty filling tables, so I'm not sure many of these strategies will work. I will certainly keep the receipt for tax purposes though. Matt's talk 19:55, 30 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Be bold, ask for a discount anyway. It will be a learning experience. It could broaden your outlook beyond your own specialty, which you can then benefit from in the future. Do you think Bill Gates just concentrated on programming? (OK, OK, before anyone else corrects me; He was just a very mediocre but keen amateur, who then had to employ people with the proper skills which he lacked).--Aspro (talk) 20:33, 30 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Finally Matt's: Don't keep us dangling on tenter hooks. Report back on how your sessions/tutorial/lessons went.--Aspro (talk) 20:41, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

CF-18s sent to Middle East
Canada, where I live, is sending a group of CF-18 fighter jets to fight ISIS in the Middle East. How do the planes get to the Middle East? Do they fly them across the Atlantic with extra fuel pods under the wings?OnBeyondZebrax (talk) 20:47, 30 October 2014 (UTC)


 * The CF-18s are refueled via aerial refueling, typically by an Airbus CC-150 Polaris or similar aircraft. The RCAF also uses CC-130 for tactical refueling in theatre; see for example. - EronTalk 20:55, 30 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia's article Transatlantic flight says that Newfoundland to the Azores is 1,900 km. The CF-18 has a ferry range of 3,330 km so would in theory be able to do this without air to air refuelling. Going via Iceland might involve shorter hops. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:28, 30 October 2014 (UTC)


 * There's not much on the net about this. I found "An airbridge with daily flights spanning 10,100 kilometres from CFB Trenton to Kuwait should get rolling soon..." which suggests that they may fly direct. The force includes "One CC-150T Polaris air-to-air refueller..."  although the same article suggests that they will actually be stopping off first at Bagotville, Quebec. Alansplodge (talk) 14:38, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for solving the mystery. I can't believe the CF-18 can fly 3,330 km! That is very impressive.OnBeyondZebrax (talk) 04:31, 1 November 2014 (UTC)


 * It is certainly very interesting. I think that despite some of the basic statistics of fighter aircraft having not much changed since the early 1950s (straight line speed, climb rate, weapons load and so on), a lot of work has gone into design so that every available surface has an aerodynamic purpose, the interior of (almost) every surface also stores fuel, drop tanks are easily carried, and so on. The CF-18 benefits from all this incremental design improvement. It may look like a relatively small fighter, but, similar to other aircraft of its era, it has substantial capabilities.


 * It's worth noting that in the various WP articles on this, the Canadian airforce deployed both their CC-150 strategic tankers to the Middle East the last time they deployed significant numbers of aircraft there. Thus they had zero strategic tankers left to support any additional aircraft transfers across the Atlantic. In-theatre refuelling was therefore a more important use of their air-to-air refuelling assets than aircraft transfer across the Atlantic. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 06:48, 1 November 2014 (UTC)