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= September 30 =

Beer in Bratislava
This picture is of a beer tap at the bar of the hotel where I stayed in Bratislava. The beers cost about 1.10 to 1.20 € per glass, a fifth of the price the cheapest beers cost here in Finland. I tried to order both beers available (the yellow one and the green one), but the barmaid said of one of these (I think it was the yellow one, but I don't remember for sure): "No beer. Lemonade!" Her English wasn't very good, and I don't understand any Slovak whatsoever. So I simply took her word and only ordered the other beer. I understood she was saying that beer wasn't worth ordering, which is strange given that they have it on tap. It couldn't have been that I was already too drunk, as she was happy to serve me a beer of the other kind. What's the idea here? Is one or both of these kinds of beer considered somehow special in Slovakia? Or was it simply the barmaid's personal opinion? In any case, I find it a bit annoying that the staff would refuse to serve a customer what they especially request. J I P &#124; Talk 18:25, 30 September 2014 (UTC)


 * The tap says these are Staropramen beers. The one on the left, yellow tap, labelled lezak, looks to be a standard lager while the one on the right, green tap, labelled svetly, is a light beer pale lager. She was probably translating "light beer" as "lemonade" or some such. (Either that, or one of the taps was mislabelled and was actually serving some sort of shandy. But that would be just speculation.) - EronTalk 18:36, 30 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Svetly isn't a light beer, it's 4% which is pretty standard for beers. DuncanHill (talk) 18:40, 30 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for noticing that; you are correct, it's actually a pale lager. My own damn fault for drinking too many 7%+ microbrews. 4% just seems so... lite. - EronTalk 18:50, 30 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Maybe they'd run out of the beers on those taps? It often happens in UK pubs that the beer runs out but they still have the pump clips on display, or just don't cover the taps. --TammyMoet (talk) 18:38, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I think EronMain is probably right and that it was actually Radler, the German word for shandy which is commonly drunk in Slovakia and neighbouring Austria. --Viennese Waltz 19:15, 30 September 2014 (UTC)


 * There is an unlabelled middle tap there, which could have been the Radler. There's only one solution: go back to the bar and try for all three taps. Make sure you let us know how it turns out. - EronTalk 19:22, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Lezak is 5% ABV, Svelty is 4%. Radler doesn't exist, but Nealko is 0.5%ABV. All links are to ratebeer CS Miller (talk) 20:06, 30 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Next time you go out in Slovakia, you might do well to try German, Russian, or Hungarian. Here is a brief instructional film with suggestions for the last. μηδείς (talk) 23:29, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
 * What do they call de:Limonade in Slovakia? --jpgordon:==( o ) 04:54, 1 October 2014 (UTC)


 * My first guess was also shandy/radler. As for the service, many people would be very upset if they meant to order a beer and instead got a shandy, and she could have just been trying to prevent that unfortunate scenario. SemanticMantis (talk) 15:15, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Name of this mountain?
On the way from Glen Canyon Dam to Grand Canyon on U.S. Highway 89. --Eingangskontrolle (talk) 20:12, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Can you narrow it down a little? How far do you estimate you had gone along the route?  Were you still on 89, or were you on 89A? --Trovatore (talk) 20:45, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:22, 30 September 2014 (UTC)


 * The image has been renamed at Commons as Cedar Mountain, so it seems that it's Cedar Mountain, Arizona (about which I don't think we have an article), a mesa on the South Rim (I think it's still part of the Coconino Plateau) at 36.05278°N, -111.77083°W (could someone please turn that into a geo-location template for me; I have to go out now) . -- Finlay McWalterᚠTalk 10:15, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Template added, Finlay (and I've tweaked the coordinates a bit to pin down the location on online maps) . Deor (talk) 11:07, 1 October 2014 (UTC)


 * It must be Cedar Mountain. Check this out. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 13:52, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Wow, I would not have gotten that. Good going, whoever figured it out on Commons. I'm going to suggest that the photo is not actually taken from Route 89, though &mdash; I think the OP misremembered. From Route 89 to Cedar Mountain appears to be more than 15 miles, and the shot was not taken with a telephoto lens (EXIF data says focal length is 18.8 mm). It was probably taken from Route 64. I don't know whether there's a way to raise such issues on Commons and see if the description can be corrected. --Trovatore (talk) 14:45, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Distances in the desert are confusing, and easy to underestimate. I'm not saying you're wrong, but I also see no reason why that mesa couldn't be 15 miles away from the photographer... SemanticMantis (talk) 15:10, 1 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Judging by the pale area (which is present on this photo, and on Bugs' one) which is on the west side of the butte, this photo was taken from Desert View Watchtower or its vicinity. Bar the foreground, compare it with this photo. That is, as Trovatore says, on Route 64. -- Finlay McWalterᚠTalk 15:13, 1 October 2014 (UTC)


 * The Watchtower location is about 3 miles west of the mesa. Given that the canyon rim shows in the photo, I can't where else the photo could be from (closer and you wouldn't see the rim, farther and you'd see more of the canyon and the promontory on which Desert View Watchtower sits). -- Finlay McWalterᚠTalk 15:20, 1 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Trovatore is right. It was taken from Route 64. See http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Auskunft#Wie_hei.C3.9Ft_dieser_Berg.3F and thank you for this good cooperation. --212.184.130.2 (talk) 17:38, 1 October 2014 (UTC)


 * This is one of those cases where an article could be created. There are various occurrences of Cedar Mountain, but not the one in Arizona, or at least not as of when I checked a few hours ago. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:46, 1 October 2014 (UTC)


 * I was going to put a quick stub together, but Peakery.com - Cedar Mountain gives a height of 7,644 ft / 2,330 m, whereas the map showing the Topographic Map of the Cedar Mountain Trail, Grand Canyon National Park shows a Cedar Mountain with a spot height of 7,061 ft (2152 m). Are there two Cedar Mountains in Arizona? Alansplodge (talk) 11:51, 2 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Peakery's one is at 35.38933°N, -112.11564°W -- Finlay McWalterᚠTalk 12:16, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
 * So definitely two then? The Peakery page includes an image which looks rather like the hill shown above; it's labelled "Off of State Route 64 too". Alansplodge (talk) 12:32, 2 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Definitely two, both rather unexceptional shrub-covered mesas. The poverty of sources, online at least, might suggest that neither is of any great notability. Perhaps a line item in the Cedar Mountain dab page is all that either warrant. -- Finlay McWalterᚠTalk 13:12, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I'll have a bash at it later unless anybody else wants a go. They would be notable if they were in the Netherlands! Alansplodge (talk) 14:50, 2 October 2014 (UTC)