Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Miscellaneous/2015 January 4

= January 4 =

Joseph Cattarinich's kids
Hi all. I've struggled to find any information regarding children of Joe Cattarinich, an early hockey builder. To put it bluntly: did Mr Cattarinich have children? Feel like that's the only piece missing from the article I've compiled at hr.wiki.

Help, please! :) Splićanin (talk) 01:19, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * According to his obituary in the Chicago Tribune, he had one daughter, Mrs Jeanne Seremba. His wife's name isn't recorded in the article. Tevildo (talk) 01:39, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * This forum thread (in French, but the relevant information is in English), has a reference for his marriage to Blanche Vermette, in Montreal, on 13 April 1901. There is evidence for a Jeanne V. Seremba who was born in 1907 in Rhode Island, but she might not be Cattarinich's daughter (although the dates are OK).  There was also a racehorse (presumably) named after her. Tevildo (talk) 01:56, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you for swift delivery! I understand Ms Vermette and Mr Cattarinich married on March 13, 1914 per this. Also, I reckon they were in a lengthy relationship beforehand, starting as early as the turn of the centuries. Splićanin (talk) 02:49, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, the Planète Généalogie reference is from a printed book, rather than a very illegible hand-written document, and having an illegitimate daughter would be a major career handicap 100 years ago, so I think the 1901 date is more likely. I'm sure definitive records are available if this is an important issue. Tevildo (talk) 16:21, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Blanche Vermette was married to Joseph Cattarinich and according to the 1911 census had no children. Blanche was the sister of Dolora(Laura), my grandmother. Jeanne Vermette was the daughter of a brother named Edgar. She married a Frank Seremba. Jeanne was buried in the Cattarinich plot in 1993 in cimetière Côte des Neiges. And according to my information Blanche and Joseph had no children of their own. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trapper42001 (talk • contribs) 20:10, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Disappeared airplanes which were later found to be safe
Have there ever been instances of planes, preferably commercial ones, which were reported to have disappeared, but were later found to have landed safely somewhere, or a commercial flight which disappeared but was later found and, while it crashed, there were several survivors? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 08:57, 4 January 2015 (UTC)


 * In the latter category, one that comes to mind (partly because they made a film about it) is 1972 Andes flight disaster. &#8209;&#8209; Mandruss  &#9742;  09:15, 4 January 2015 (UTC)


 * I know about the latter, and I was half-expecting that to be mentioned sooner or later here. But has the former ever happened? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:23, 4 January 2015 (UTC)


 * I couldn't find any in the first category, but 9 Unbelievable Airplane Incidents That Will Make You Appreciate How Safe Flying Has Become tells the story of Varig Flight 254 in Brazil, on 3 September 1989 (number 5 in the article), which went the opposite way to its planned course and crash landed in the Amazon rain forest. Some of the survivors had to walk out of the jungle to fetch help. 13 died but 42 survived. Alansplodge (talk) 16:24, 4 January 2015 (UTC)


 * As for missing aircraft that later turned up safe, there have been several incidents of aircraft landing at the wrong airport, but I imagine they weren't missing for very long. StuRat (talk) 03:11, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

What does "is the new black" mean?
Hi all,

I'm not an English native speaker and I really wonder why everything for the last months "is the new black". I saw tee-shirts "white is the new black", posters about nature "green is the new black" or ads for aquacenters "blue is the new black". What does it mean? Thx! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.97.195.110 (talk) 12:32, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * See Phrasal template. "X is the new black" apparently originates (rather indirectly) from a line by Diana Vreeland, "Pink is the navy blue of India". See also Little black dress. Tevildo (talk) 13:14, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * This article goes into more detail on the phrase's origin. Tevildo (talk) 13:20, 4 January 2015 (UTC)


 * (after edit conflict) It's a fashion thing. Black clothes are always in fashion as black goes with everything. It became popular for a while for fashion writers to proclaim other colours as "the new black", i.e. the new most fashionable colour. After that the phrase became a cliché and was adapted to a variety of contexts, including things that aren't even colours - a popular new band, for example, might be referred to as being the new black. It got a bit out of hand. Private Eye magazine used to have a "Neophiliacs" column collecting the most ridiculous uses of "x is the new y" from the media. --Nicknack009 (talk) 13:22, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * This has been sufficiently answered -- I just thought I'd link to snowclone as the more specific type of phrasal template that applies here. Basically a popularly known cliche phrase/term which allows for one or more parts to be replaced to create new meanings without losing referential familiarity. In fact we have a whole category for pages about snowclones. --&mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  \\ 20:27, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Perhaps snowclone would be a better redirect target for the new black than phrasal template? There doesn't seem to be an obvious talk page to discuss this on. Tevildo (talk) 22:54, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Parliament voting systems
Where can I find detailed information and pictures about the systems members of parliament in various countries use to vote on issues in the main parliament chamber? J I P &#124; Talk 15:37, 4 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Something like Division of the assembly? TenOfAllTrades(talk) 15:47, 4 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Sort of, yes. Here in Finland and in Sweden the parliament uses an electronic voting system instead of physically shouting their votes or going through different doors. I didn't notice anything of the sort in the article. Do all those countries listed there really use "traditional" voting systems? J I P  &#124; Talk 17:04, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * It depends, in many places, on the exact vote in question. In many places, for many routine votes, a "voice vote" is all that is required, and the standard unless someone (or the rules themselves) call for a recorded vote.  Each body has its own rules for determining which matters get a voice vote, and which get a roll-call vote.  I would be surprised if EVERY vote on EVERY issue in the legislatures of Sweden and Finland used a recorded vote.  Many mundane and routine matters of such chambers wouldn't require it, and doing so would bog down the normal business of such bodies as to make them ineffectual.  United_States_House_of_Representatives and House_of_Commons_of_the_United_Kingdom both indicate that voice votes are the normal way to conduct business, but also note the manner in which someone may call for a recorded vote, either by division or recorded electronic vote, etc.  -- Jayron 32 00:46, 5 January 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm specifically interested in machines for electronic voting in parliament chambers, to see what they look like and how such votes are handled. J I P  &#124; Talk 04:53, 5 January 2015 (UTC)


 *  In 1992, the Swiss National Council decided to introduce an electronic voting system in their chamber. Concerns regarding potential abuse of the system were met with striving for a solution where both hands had to be employed for casting a vote and, more importantly (and more amusingly) by referring to the fact that the councils had taken an oath and were to be trusted to use the apparatus fairly and competently. Less than two years later, Christoph Blocher managed to cheat the system by voting not only for himself but also for an absent colleague normally seated next to him (Lisbeth Fehr, same political party, but she was not amused at all). (Here's a TV report from March 1994 in German, but it gives you an idea of what the device looks like—and it does not look like you need two hands to push any of the colorful buttons). Blocher was reprimanded, but no consequences otherwise.
 * The Council of States, known to be slower and more conservative, introduced the same device last year, over 20 years after it's sister-chamber had. This Blick article has some pics. The device looks much the same as the older one in the TV report I linked to above (and it reminds me of Simon :-) ---Sluzzelin talk  10:53, 5 January 2015 (UTC)