Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Miscellaneous/2015 October 20

= October 20 =

Is there any sound system out there there support all this stuff?
Is there any sound system out there there support:

1-Cds

2-Cassete

3-Vynil Records

4-Pen Drive

5-Memory Sticks

6-Cds and dvds with digital sounds files on it.

7-3.5 Floppy disk

8-When talking about digital files, it support, mp3, wav, flac, ogg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.79.65.228 (talk) 11:52, 20 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Just to clarify, are you after a single physical device that can play everything from vinyl records to MP3 files? I'd be surprised if such a thing existed, but I don't know for certain. J I P  &#124; Talk 12:43, 20 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Just to reclarify, I have no doubt they exist. I found one example, here that has most of the devices listed above.  Maybe not all, but most, and with enough searching, the OP may be able to find one.  -- Jayron 32 14:50, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I think the biggest problem would be finding something that supports floppy disks. AFAIK they were never really used for digital music storage much because even with a 32kbps bitrate file (which even in the MP3 era which somewhat postdated the peak of floppys wouldn't be very good quality, and HE-AAC etc strongly postdated the floppy era), you'd only be able to store a 1 ~6 minute file on the most common floppy format. The high capacity floppy alternatives found niche roles in some areas but never really took off in most areas and the OP referred to floppy disk which normally means 1.44mb (or perhaps 2.88mb) floppies at most. I'm not sure whether there were some DJs or whatever who used these high capacity disks before CD-R drives became a resonable price, but I can't find any evidence of it. In any case, since one of the problems the high capacity disks had is that there were many competing standards, if the OP did mean one of these rather than the classic 1.44mb 3.5" floppy, they will need to specify which exactly they are referring to. Floppies could store more mod files or midi files, but supporting these adds another level of complexity and wasn't something the OP referred to. If the sound system is sufficiently computer like, or hackable and has a USB port, it may support, or you could make it support, a USB floppy drive. But in that case we get in to the semantics of what you mean by "sound system". My assumption would be this means a device or a collection of devices explicitly designed to be used together for this purpose. Otherwise you could easily turn a computer in to a sound system with appropriate additional components and support all of the above and more (e.g. computer backup tapes). Nil Einne (talk) 15:14, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I think zip drives (probably the last "hurrah" of the floppy format) were likely large enough, but I broadly agree. Putting even a zip drive on a sound system would be useless, it's never been used as a means of high-fidelity music storage.  -- Jayron 32 15:21, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
 * zip drives and the other high capacity disks (like LS120, HiFD) would store enough to make music storage worthwhile, but while technically floppies, they aren't what people normally mean when they refer to floppy disks nowadays, so the OP will need to be clear precisely what they want it to support, even ignoring that they likely weren't used much for the purpose. I think the Zip disk was most popular, but each seemed to find its niche, e.g. LS120 was on some Macs and also evidently used in some cameras. Anyway this discussion and the searched I made which found mention of MO reminded me that while the OP asked for something not used much for digital music, floppy disks, they seemed to miss the MiniDisc which was. Their choice of course, but they may want to consider carefully why they need these to be supported. Nil Einne (talk) 15:35, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
 * 3.5" floppies were (and possibly still are) used to store music in MIDI format.   D b f i r s   20:30, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
 * MIDI isn't so much music as it is instructions for playing music. MIDI is the digital analogue of sheet music.  -- Jayron 32 03:31, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, as I mentioned, floppies could be used to store midis or mods, but the OP didn't mention they want support for these, and if they do, this opens up a whole another kettle of fish. Neither midis or mods contain digital audio in the form of music, which is what I meant by digital music. Midis files (unless you're including the soundfonts or patches as well) rely on digital audio from somewhere else (if at all) which the sound device (card in the old days, nowadays probably soft synth) then uses to compose in to digital music. Mods do have some digital audio but it generally isn't something most would consider music, as with the samples in soundfonts or patches, until after it's been composed by the playback software in to digital music. Nil Einne (talk) 14:47, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Chupryna vs Khokhol
Is this the same or are there differences? ! Bikkit ! (talk) 13:58, 20 October 2015 (UTC)


 * As Chupryna says they're the same thing, I suggest they're the same thing. A merge discussion is probably in order, not least to sort out which name is most appropriate for the article. --Dweller (talk) 14:20, 20 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Another way of looking at it, is that Chupryna is the same, but Khokhol is different. :)  --   Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  19:00, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
 * In fact: It is! The Ukrainian article is Chub. "Khokhol" - in all its forms of writing - is used by "the others" and became the negative term. How is this merge discussion done? ! Bikkit ! (talk) 06:34, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

About tagged images transferred to the Commons
I would like to contribute by transferring images that were tagged to be moved to the commons, and would like to know what steps needed for cleaning up after an image was transferred. Now, I am tagging them with, but is there anything else required to be done, here and on the Commons? — Ineuw talk 16:31, 20 October 2015 (UTC)


 * As far as I know, that's the end of the process for the user. I believe the rest is handled by a bot. Dismas |(talk) 17:10, 20 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Thamks. — Ineuw talk 17:53, 20 October 2015 (UTC)