Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Miscellaneous/2015 October 29

= October 29 =

Transgender people
As a normal heterosexual straight individual, I'm struggling to understand transgender individuals. Do these people essentially have a women brain, in a mans body. Or visa versa. If so, what's the scientific basis for this. Or, is it merely a preference to be effeminate which could be interpreted as a normal form of homosexuality, but with a cross dressing spin to it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.195.27.47 (talk) 14:45, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia has an article titled Transgender. There are a multitude of reasons why a person may identify as transgender, but the Wikipedia article covers a lot of it.  -- Jayron 32 14:51, 29 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Since you used the word "normal" twice in you post, you also might be interested in thinking about that term a bit. E.g. Norm_(social), normative pressure, and the "Myth of Normalcy" . SemanticMantis (talk) 15:09, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Heteronormativity is the more precise article, but fully agree. 64.235.97.146 (talk) 15:24, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I've seen the term 'cisnormativity' used for this particular case, as it's specifically about gender identity rather than sexual attraction. But it's a very similar concept. OP: The link between homosexuality and 'effeminacy' (in men) is largely debunked. AlexTiefling (talk) 16:00, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Also, as pointed out in our article, being trangender and being homosexual are independent - trans men or women may be attracted to men, women, both, or neither. MChesterMC (talk) 15:52, 29 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Well, official sources give lots of examples of possible gender nature and self-awareness. Listening to call in shows that talk about psychological problems of the caller who only can be identified by his voice also where talking about gender and sex. Many of them came up with being a victim of sexual abuse. Sometimes it seems there is not scientific evidence a self-awareness outside the common majority to be cause by sexual of mental abuse or seized self respect. German journalist Birgit Kelle told the modern view on gender is to make people work and be workers only. Right-wing politics blame the gender view is an initiative of the left-wing politics to make people be functional workers and fulfill the ideology of communism or socialism using their workpower only and ignoring their need of self-awareness, love, sex, marriage, family, identity, political opinion taking part in democratic political decisions, reducing their interests to a vote only and get managed by a regime and work on time neither on achievement. Journalist Bettina Röhl reported one of the first enforced transgener surgery was done after a surgery accident of cut or burned penis. Fearing the legal consequences the doctor cut of the penis, and in the next surgery session the whole scrotum and made the boy to become a woman without uterus. Later this "girl" became a man with restored penis, The later removed scrotum was not possible to rebuild of substite. Today this man has wife and adopted children. -- Hans Haase (有问题吗) 21:49, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * David Reimer is probably the case that Hans is referring to, although he committed suicide in 2004. Tevildo (talk) 23:15, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

State sponsored homophobia
iam gay and I was teaching in Kenya I am living wth friends here in Lowell and I am not sure where to go for help,i ran from country avoiding problems with gay hostile communities in my country — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ngaedavid (talk • contribs) 16:07, 29 October 2015 (UTC)


 * @Ngaedavid your experience is consistent with reports and Wikipedia's information that same-sex sexual activity has remained illegal in Kenya, with up to 14 years imprisonment, since colonial time 1897 (as British East Africa.) You may wish to read about or to contact the human rights advocacy organization Amnesty International or read about the activist group OutRight Action International (formerly International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Commission) based in New York. Bestfaith (talk) 13:35, 30 October 2015 (UTC)


 * If you choose to leave, you might be granted amnesty by your new host nation based on persecution for homosexuality in your native land. StuRat (talk) 02:38, 1 November 2015 (UTC)


 * @Ngaedavid, I offer my sympathy for your predicament. If you come back and tell us which Lowell you are referring to, the Reference Desk might be able to help find you more precise resources. For the benefit of anyone reading who doesn't know, LGBT rights in Kenya are minimal; the situation may or may not have been improved by Obama's mention of it on his recent visit. Here's some more background on gay people and organisations in Kenya. Perhaps Usawa and National Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Commission (both of which appear to be based in Kenya) can advise you. If you are seeking a new life in another country, refugee rights organisations should be able to advise -- applications on the basis of sexual orientation are fairly common, from what I understand (depending on where you are, of course). Best of luck to you. Carbon Caryatid (talk) 16:35, 1 November 2015 (UTC)