Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Miscellaneous/2016 December 17

= December 17 =

Who is a better RBI Governor; Urjit Patel or Raghuram Rajan?
Raghuram Rajan’s departure as the Reserve Bank of India Governor was a shocker for India and raised confusion and doubts on the intentions of political play but the stepping in of the new chief is even more of a buzz. Urjit Patel is Kenyan born and holds degrees from London School of Economics, University of Oxford and Yale University. Both are really talented in numerous fields but question is "Who is Better"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.195.235.128 (talk) 11:44, 17 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Sorry, we don't answer requests for opinions here. See at the top of the page. --76.71.5.45 (talk) 19:09, 17 December 2016 (UTC)


 * And even if we did, first you would have to define "better". ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:37, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * And a notable point, if you mean better at being the Reserve Bank Governor, considering one has only been in that role for a bit over 3 months even if he's dealt with a particularly contentious government plan, I think anyone comparing them would come to the conclusion it's too soon to decide. Nil Einne (talk) 01:07, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Eating with hands
Hi! Would it be relevant to create an article about eating with hands? There is not much information about it on other articles. Ericdec85 (talk) 13:03, 17 December 2016 (UTC)


 * If you have multiple reliable sources about the subject, sure. Otherwise, it would fail our notability standards.  Ian.thomson (talk) 14:08, 17 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Not sure you need a source to prove that some foods are eaten with the hands, like pizza, hot dogs, sandwiches, hamburgers, french fries (UK chips), and potato chips (UK crisps). That's common knowledge.  But as for the health risks, that would need a source. StuRat (talk) 17:55, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The article on Sky has four citations to say that it is blue. Looking out the window would be original research.  An article about eating with hands would need sources or else it would fail the notability guidelines.  For health risks, you would not need just a reliable source, but specifically a reliable medical source.  Ian.thomson (talk) 00:49, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * You_don%27t_need_to_cite_that_the_sky_is_blue Iapetus (talk) 09:51, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes. Those four citations explain why it's blue. That it is blue is a given. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:43, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Not at night. --47.138.163.230 (talk) 00:30, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Maybe the OP could redirect his article concept to Finger food. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:55, 18 December 2016 (UTC)


 * You could follow the various links in List of eating utensils and see what they have to say about "not using" those utensils. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:39, 17 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Not exactly surprised that the Tweedledum and Tweedledee of the ref desks have signally failed to grasp the point the OP is clearly getting at, which is the Indian practice of eating with hands. This is covered in Etiquette of Indian dining. --Viennese Waltz 19:47, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Not exactly surprised at your "Tweedledummer" M.O. of leveling person attacks. Only surprised when you don't. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:55, 17 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Really, VW, you have promised to be more civil, and not to show up like a vulture only when there's a victim to attack. Please answer the OP if you can, rather than call names. μηδείς (talk) 20:22, 17 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Think there is a potential article here (and I don't mean when de wife forgot to bring the knife, fork and spoons on a camping holiday, which made consuming the soup coarse a novel experience). But many people's of this World do eat their food (with the right hand) as a normal practice. That doesn’t  mean they are backward but that this is their traditional practice of enjoying meals together. Bit like US citizens eating burgers, pizzas,   etc. from polystyrene and cardboard boxes. So to the OP, yes go for it! The practice is so wide spread, that there must be plenty of references.  P.S. Should the question be not be about eating with fingers. It was only Kings and other royalty  that  brought (say) a leg of a swan to their mouths, grasped in their greasy hands.--Aspro (talk) 20:11, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * User:Viennese Waltz comment was hatted above, but was never the less valid in this context. So reinserted his ref to Etiquette of Indian dining which comments on just  the Indian tradition of  eating with fingers. What about the rest of the World? Sure we need an article on eating with fingers. Ericdec85 has only been editing since September – don't bit the newbie!--Aspro (talk) 21:04, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The second sentence was valid. The first was just a typical childish I'm-better-than-you-are attack from VW. It would be best to erase everything from that hatted section except for the sentence about the link. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:37, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Agreed, good luck with your article. A Google search for ""eating with hands" and "eating with hands in Islam" might help. Google also suggested ""eating with hands in Chile", the first result for which was Don't eat anything with your hands in Chile!, which is very bad manners apparently. It used to be the rule here in England too, and a gentleman would be able to eat a banana at the table using only a fruit knife and dessert fork. Allegedly, when the first Pizza Hut opened in London, the staff had to rush out and buy some knives and forks for their puzzled customers. How times have changed. Alansplodge (talk) 22:50, 17 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Allegedly is good adverb and only very anecdotal. Remember that in the later part of the 1970's, drove to Hay Market (or some where in London) to the first Mac Donald's to open in Britain (for those in the  US,  Britain is a  little unsinkable aircraft carrier off the west coast of Europe) yet for years before  and long, long before the first Pizza Hut washed upon our shores, I frequent many a Italian owned  take alway  that proffered... guess  what?  - Yes you have got it in one – Pizzas!  Knives and forks???! Mind you, if one was  with one's girl friend or neighbours wife, one had to be very careful afterwards as to where one (or the other) placed ones hands : ¬ ☼ --Aspro (talk) 03:46, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, I remember the first MacDonald's in the Haymarket, it curiously omitted any seats, they only had a sort of plastic misericord which you could perch on while eating your burger. No knives or forks either, unlike the homegrown Wimpy Bars. The story about Pizza Hut and cutlery used to feature in their own advertising and I do seem to remember cutlery being provided, even in the days when pizza was the only thing on the menu. It's a nice story anyhow. I am also encouraging to see that some Americans can eat in a civilised fashion, see Outrage in New York after Bill de Blasio uses knife and fork to eat pizza - Public stunned by mayor's use of utensils at pizza restaurant. Obviously a reliable chap. Alansplodge (talk) 19:01, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Don't be ridiculous. There's no excuse for eating pizza with a knife and fork, especially New York style pizza. It's akin to putting ketchup on a hotdog.--WaltCip (talk) 15:03, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
 * "In Napoli, you eat the entire pizza with a knife and fork. There's no picking up a slice. It's just how everyone does it. It's the culture". How to Eat Pizza Like an Italian Alansplodge (talk) 17:30, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
 * We ain't in Napoli. :P --WaltCip (talk) 17:18, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Also don't eat any hot chilis with your hands. :-) StuRat (talk) 00:18, 18 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Jehovah's Witnesses have published an article about fufu at http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102003250.
 * —Wavelength (talk) 00:15, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

"Parmanent link" Information
I have few old articles of WP without its "Parmanent link" Information, how do I re-find it? 103.230.105.26 (talk) 20:48, 17 December 2016 (UTC)


 * You might be looking for the Help desk. If you have the page source, look near the top and find the article id (curid) and the revision id (oldid). Then construct the URL like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?curid=40297&oldid=755403240 Alternatively, most pages have a "last modified" date on them, so enter the title and look at the history. -- zzuuzz (talk) 21:07, 17 December 2016 (UTC)


 * BTW, it's spelled permanent. StuRat (talk) 22:47, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, like Clark and Barkley. μηδείς (talk) 00:14, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * That depends where you are - in England Clerk and Clark are pronounced identically, as are Berkeley and Barkley - and they all have the same sound: (ɑːrk), not {ɜːrk) Wymspen (talk) 10:37, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * And like Darby, which in America is pronounced "Durby", except in Brooklyn where it's "Doiby". ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 12:04, 18 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Did you mean Derby? I can't really believe Americans, who pronounce Derby as Derby. also pronounce Darby as Derby.  --   Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  20:14, 18 December 2016 (UTC)


 * BB linked to there. I had to read his comment twice to see what he meant.    D b f i r s   22:58, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I followed Medeis' lead, who did the same thing, and I think Wymspen made the same mistake as Jack. But we Americans pronounce it "durby" when referring to an American horse race, and "darby" when referring to an English horse race. As for "doiby", that's what Curly called his hat. We know our derbies. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:22, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Arghh so ur an american wabbit. Time to eat your meal for the second time.00:51, 19 December 2016 (UTC)86.187.161.66 (talk)
 * No need. Any leftovers get sold to Brits as "bangers". ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:25, 19 December 2016 (UTC)