Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Miscellaneous/2016 January 8

= January 8 =

whats this song
beginning of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mMB_takIjQ
 * It's the Miserere by Gregorio Allegri. AndrewWTaylor (talk) 10:39, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * thanks

Dale D. Myers eyepatch
The article Dale D. Myers says he lost his left eye. I found the image on the right on Commons. It shows him wearing his eyepatch on the left side of the picture, i.e. on his right eye. I first thought the picture was a mirror image, but then I noticed that the text on the background reads the right way. What's up with this then? J I P &#124; Talk 12:10, 8 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Google images finds several photos of Myers, all with the eyepatch on his left eye, and with his normal-looking right eye visible - only the one you found has it on his right. They surely can't all be mirrored, and this C-SPAN one has text which isn't. You can't see the uncovered eye well in the image you found - I think this is him having a laugh and taking the picture with the eyepatch on the wrong eye deliberately. -- Finlay McWalterᚠTalk 12:30, 8 January 2016 (UTC)


 * (ec) I don't think it's him. Myers seems much smaller in stature and his hair is always parted on the right (except for when he had a brush cut). Myers wears spectacles - the man in the image is writing without specs. Myers also appears much greyer at the temples. I can see how this could be thought to be Myers - "Spacecraft 104" (on the wall behind him) was scheduled for flight as Apollo 9 which Myers was involved in. http://history.nasa.gov/SP-4009/v4p3b.htm 196.213.35.146 (talk) 13:13, 8 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Also, Myers' eye patch itself appears to be made for the left eye. 196.213.35.146 (talk) 13:36, 8 January 2016 (UTC)


 * If it can be established that this is not Myers, and he can be correctly identified, I can place a move request on Commons to move the image to the correct name. J I P  &#124; Talk 13:44, 8 January 2016 (UTC)


 * The identity in the top photo is also questionable as the parting of the hair in all other photos is on the right. --Cookatoo.ergo.ZooM (talk) 20:39, 8 January 2016 (UTC)


 * This, this, and this have unmirrored text and are eyepatch-left. -- Finlay McWalterᚠTalk 12:35, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * The guy in that first picture, especially, looks quite a bit like an older version of the guy pictured in this section. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:54, 8 January 2016 (UTC)


 * This is the official provenance from the San Diego Air & Space Museum for our photograph - Item 66, Page 5, in the list of photographs donated to the museum by Norman Casson. Tevildo (talk) 17:13, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * If our photo isn't Myers, it _might_ be Bruce Peterson - see this photo - but the chap in the disputed photograph seems to have rather less hair than Peterson. Tevildo (talk) 17:30, 8 January 2016 (UTC)


 * If he'd switched the eyepatch over for a joke - how come he's wearing his watch on the left wrist? If you no vision to your left, wouldn't you wear your watch on the right wrist? STS-26 Welcome Home Ceremony - GPN-2002-000108.jpg This image appears to confirm that he didn't wear his watch on his left wrist.  SteveBaker (talk) 18:14, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * It appears he's right-handed, and wearing a watch on one's writing hand could get in the way. And when looking at a wristwatch, there's no problem seeing it from the opposite eye. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:56, 8 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Most people actually do opposite-side vision with their watches. Most right-handed people are also right-eye dominant, so when they wear their watch on their left wrist, they "cross over" to the other side to see it with their dominant eye. (This makes sense, as when you bring your forearm parallel to your chest to view the watch, the wrist often ends up on the opposite side of the body.) The people who I know who are left-eye dominant often have a preference for their watch on their right wrist, regardless of which is their dominant hand - this is all anecdote, though. -- 160.129.138.186 (talk) 20:50, 8 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Hm. I'm right-handed (though seemingly more ambidextrous than average), and my left eye is weakly dominant. Before I stopped wearing a watch, for a few years I wore it on my right wrist, because the band happened to fit better there! —Tamfang (talk) 21:30, 8 January 2016 (UTC)


 * I don't think the position of the watch proves anything. When I look at mine, I normally put my wrist in the center of my field of view. --76.69.45.64 (talk) 07:30, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

I'd just like to point out two details in the disputed photo. First, as if we needed additional confirmation besides the text that it's not been reversed, this is present in the form of the telephone dial. Second, the date 7-1-68 on the right-hand side of the wall. That appears to be writing in grease pencil or dry-erase marker, suggesting that the chart is updated frequently. Therefore this photo was very probably taken in July or at most August of 1968. (The reference to "spacecraft 104" on the same chart is odd, though, as AS-104 was launched in 1965.) This may be useful in cross-checking the man's appearance against other dated photos. --76.69.45.64 (talk) 07:30, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Accessing 'online banking system'
Is there any possible way where I could use my e-mail to retrieve my ‘online banking service’ information/codes, so that I could start accessing my bank accounts? – UK Bank a/c.

I have people after me, I don’t know whether they created any problems with my bank accounts or not.

I was also planning on seeking donations using my UK bank a/c(s) because everything is 100% corrupted here where I am currently living. Plus, the reason why I wished to seek donation in the first place, been cancelled. I did find another reason to seek donation but still need to access my a/cs.

I only have an e-mail service handy at this very moment of lifetime.

Mr. Zoot Cig Bunner (talk) 18:19, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * You should visit an officer at your bank and discuss the problem with them. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:50, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm not in UK, plus if I tell them the truth, what if they end up sending me to a mental hospital... -- Mr. Zoot Cig Bunner (talk) 19:17, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * If you've concerns about your mental health, you should talk to a professional, not to us. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:20, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * The UK banks have different security mechanisms, we won't be able to give you a single answer that works for all. --Lgriot (talk) 20:32, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Isn't there any way I could retrieve my online banking service codes via e-mail? -- Mr. Zoot Cig Bunner (talk) 21:50, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * You'd have to ask your bank about that. They are likely to ask for some other confirmation that you are in control of your e-mail account, and the email address must have previously been registered with them.    D b f i r s   22:29, 8 January 2016 (UTC)


 * It's not really clear what you mean by online service codes. If you mean your username and in particular your password, while it's true it will depend on the bank, the chance that any UK bank will allow you to reset your password solely over email is close to zero. It probably is zero if by email you mean some generic system (e.g. a random gmail account) without the use of any form of encryption with signature or security. Nil Einne (talk) 08:55, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

 D b f i r s  , Nil Einne:  I never kept such access due to security reason e.g., what if they send my e-mail address to a third party, what if my e-mail gets hacked (what occurred)… I guess I have to wait until I physically return back... Thank you both. -- Mr. Zoot Cig Bunner (talk) 18:45, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Or give them a phone call. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:16, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
 * It'll cost a lot from where I am. -- Mr. Zoot Cig Bunner (talk) 09:30, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Don't they have a toll-free number? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 10:46, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Toll-free telephone number are rare and not well supported. Some banks may have toll free numbers in key markets besides their home market, but it doesn't sound like this applies to the OP and I think this is rare anyway. For example, while HSBC operates in quite a few markets, I'm fairly sure it's recommended you dial the number of whatever country's bank you're trying to reach if it matters. If you're a Premier customer, probably you can convince the bank of wherever country you're located in to put you through to their staff in the country you're trying to reach but I don't think it's standard. (The bigger advantage is probably that staff of wherever you're located are more likely to be able to help you.) You can often find a way to call toll free numbers for free over some VoIP service, but you still need to pay for the internet connection and have something capable of using the VoIP service. Nil Einne (talk) 14:14, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't really understand what you didn't keep. If you are saying you deleted the email account which the bank has on record, this is actually a dumb idea. Now someone doesn't even have to hack it, they simply have to obtain it when the email provider releases it again. If you are saying you removed the email account from the banks records, this is also not the best idea. It would be better to simply tell the bank to never send sensitive info via the email address. In reality very few banks particularly in somewhere like the UK are going to do that unless you tell them to. If the bank has no way to contact you, they have no way to let you know if there is a problem. If you did both, that's hardly better. In reality, there's a very good chance the bank does still have it on records somewhere particularly if you didn't provide a new email address, and will use it in an emergency but the email address you don't have access to may now belong to someone else. The proper solution would be to do your best to secure your email and inform the bank as soon as you realise you have problems with that account. While social engineering has gotten people fairly far in many areas including sometimes with banks, most banks are going to be very reluctant to hand over too many details over email. I don't really understand what you're imagining anyway. If you think they're going to give details away to an email address they don't even have on record, why are you so frightened what losing your email address is going to mean for your bank account? They could already do it without even hacking your email address (from what you believed before you asked the question). At the very least if you had the email address, they could try contacting or at least informing you there when you suddenly show up with a different email address. (Really phone calls are a bigger worry since it's quite easy for someone to be almost untraceable, yet bank staff will generally provide a fair amount of info if you fulfill their verification. Probably even stuff they aren't supposed to if you get lucky with the social engineering.) Nil Einne (talk) 14:32, 10 January 2016 (UTC)


 * I keep everything separate, I don't connect things, e.g., bank a/c with phone number or e-mail address... If somehow a thing gets connected e.g., a bank a/c with a phone number, then I don't connect this same phone number with anything else, e.g., another bank a/c. This might sound stupid to you but I call it being cautious.
 * I would've used the Voip service, but I still have to insert money which is still a lot more than I could imagine. Plus, my internet is 'pay bite as you go', therefore I was expecting, crossing my fingers, an e-mail address could do the trick... I believe I can fulfill all the details but an e-mail discussion needs to take place... -- Mr. Zoot Cig Bunner (talk) 20:01, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Do you mean you have a bank account number without an address or even phone number? I'm surprised a UK bank lets you do that. Perhaps in a banking haven. Anyway the point is that if you care about your money, it's generally wise to make sure the bank has some reliable way of contacting you. If you are overseas and don't have a phone number or address they can contact you on or they refuse to let you provide an overseas address or phone number, then providing them an email is the far more cautious thing to do then not providing them any info. Likewise, if you believe your bank will provide info to an email account that they don't have on record for you, then it far more cautious to provide an email account and do your best to keep it secure, updating it if you ever have doubts about its security. Failing to provide an email address is clearly not the cautious thing to do if you think they're just going to provide your info to a random email account anyway. BTW, none of this means you should trust any email allegedly from your bank. You should still take resonable precautions like typing in the webpage directly rather than following links. And calling numbers on the bank website or from other reliable places rather than phone numbers in the email. Incidentally you may want to look more carefully at VoIP providers. I strongly suspect there are VoIP providers who will let you call UK toll free numbers for either free or very cheaply. (Probably less than GBP4 all up, and I'm assuming your UK bank account has a lot more than this otherwise it's hardly worth bothering about.) This doesn't help you with internet costs of course. Nil Einne (talk) 11:05, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I can pass all the security checks without a doubt. I'm just not connected with my past anymore.
 * I do have a phone but I have this country's simcard, the one I currently am.
 * Money is something that I can't have/keep, hopefully I can have/keep some for my family now.
 * I'm monitored by good and evil people 24/7 so now I won't have any issues of connecting anything whatsoever, e.g., my facebook and twitter are connected now (with no friends as usual), what I always avoided... You guys are all/some I have...
 * I don't believe the banks would help, but trying to give it a go with a hope... I just have to wait now for a time when I can spare some kbs/Mbs. If you say that its likely (as it sounds from the post) then I won't bother...
 * Your points are noted... Thank you.
 * Regards.
 * Mr. Zoot Cig Bunner (talk) 20:01, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks all. -- Mr. Zoot Cig Bunner (talk) 18:45, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Term "voucher" for Ukash, paysafecard and the like
Prepaid electronic money systems like former Ukash and paysafecard usually call the printout, which you can buy at retailers, a voucher (with PIN and further information). I think the usage of the term voucher is not currently included in the article, including the section Voucher, as the usage of such cards is way more flexible than that of vouchers. Should this meaning be included in the article? If not: Is there a more appropriate term for such printouts? --KnightMove (talk) 17:17, 8 January 2016 (UTC) I had asked this in computing desk first, but honestly it didn't belong there. --KnightMove (talk) 21:53, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Fancy dessert
What is this thing? I realize it's chocolate that is being drizzled on but beyond that I can't really identify what this is. One of the comments says that it's from a restaurant called Alinea but I couldnt' find this on their malfunctioning website. Thanks, Dismas |(talk) 23:42, 8 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Apparently a "magical melting chocolate bombe" or a "magical chocolate bomb". Clarityfiend (talk) 00:06, 9 January 2016 (UTC)