Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Miscellaneous/2016 July 4

= July 4 =

Color chart
Can anyone recommend me a color chart which has every standard shade of blue and green? (Either Pantone or RAL will do, as will any other comprehensive color standard.) 2601:646:8E01:7E0B:30F5:C9D:9D07:D9A4 (talk) 11:07, 4 July 2016 (UTC)


 * This is an issue which I have studied in depth, and so far as I am aware, there is no such thing. The RGB color system covers the area quite well, assuming you assign 00 as the red value.  There's even a color called Eagles' Green which is more blue than green.  It's very confusing. μηδείς (talk) 13:25, 4 July 2016 (UTC)


 * In that case, is there such a thing as a color chart which has all of the web colors? If so, where can I find it? 2601:646:8E01:7E0B:30F5:C9D:9D07:D9A4 (talk) 23:44, 4 July 2016 (UTC)


 * I have asked this question a million times. The answer I always get is: "There are too many colors.  It's in the millions.  No web site could possibly list them all."   Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 05:17, 6 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Here is one time that I asked: Reference desk/Archives/Computing/2016 May 17.     Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 05:22, 6 July 2016 (UTC)


 * I'm actually asking only about the colors listed in the article linked above -- and also, I'm looking for an actual chart, not a website. (I need to check the color of specimens against a set of standard colors, and RGB color ≠ actual color!) 2601:646:8E01:7E0B:B8F3:6153:1C:140 (talk) 06:04, 6 July 2016 (UTC)


 * I think the idea is that the correct website -- if it exits -- would have the chart. No?  Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 07:06, 6 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Except that I need the chart in physical form because RGB color ≠ true color (and no, printing it out won't work either -- it could put the colors even further off true). 2601:646:8E01:7E0B:B8F3:6153:1C:140 (talk) 08:19, 6 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Gotcha. Good luck. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 19:23, 6 July 2016 (UTC)


 * A search on Amazon for "Pantone chart" returned a couple of hits on reference swatches in the range £100 to £300. I'm sure you could find an online reference to link pantone colour to web colour - ecven if that isn't already on the swatches. -- SGBailey (talk) 11:12, 6 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks! 2601:646:8E01:7E0B:F88D:DE34:7772:8E5B (talk) 02:58, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Leaving hotel without paying fully
Just yesterday, I was at a pretty dire situation in Pörtschach, Carinthia, Austria. My hotel only accepted cash payment and I didn't have enough cash. I thought I'd just go to the nearest ATM and withdraw cash, but every single ATM in the entire city was out of order, and I had to leave back to Finland early the next morning.

I stayed awake the entire night stressing about this. By sheer luck, the ATMs came back online early in the morning and I could pay my bill just fine.

What would have happened if I wouldn't have been able to pay my hotel bill fully? The bill was 448 € but I only had 370 € with me (until the ATMs came back online). Would I have been detained in Austria, possibly facing criminal charges? J I P &#124; Talk 22:40, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
 * That would depend on what Austria's laws are, and how trusting the hotel management would have been. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:09, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Even if the ATMs were not working it is likely that a local bank could have transferred some money from your account to which I assume you had access. It would likely cost you but that would be the price of being unprepared. Richard Avery (talk) 06:32, 5 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Given your utter inability to use the subjunctive "What would have happened had I not been able to pay my hotel bill fully" I would have shot you. To death.  But that's just me.  Most people are kinder than I. μηδείς (talk) 08:01, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Hear hear, If you have to denigrate a non-native speaker as your best contribution then that is sad. Richard Avery (talk) 11:10, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Seconding the comments of a banned editor is not your best option. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:34, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
 * A statement does not automatically become invalid or false just because a banned user agrees with it. J I P &#124; Talk 22:00, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
 * So how is one to know an editor is banned? If she/he is "banned" why is he/she able to post on this page? Why don't you ever do enything more useful than pick at minute procedural transgrssions and rarely offer up meaningful information. Richard Avery (talk) 07:06, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Actually, it does. Banned users are not allowed to edit. Kissing up to them aids and abets their violation of that ban. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:45, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
 * No it doesn't. The IP was of course right, and Medeis, as per usual, is being an utter arse. Fgf10 (talk) 06:51, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
 * And you are, as usual, living down to expectations. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:37, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
 * So Baseball Bugs, whatever a banned user says is false then? If someone said "The sky is green" and a banned user replied "No, it's blue", then would he be wrong just because he's banned? In this case, I find it strange, out of place and tactless for Medeis to denigrate me in this way, especially as I'm not a native English speaker, but because a banned user disagreed with him, then the denigration would be all OK just because the one who disagreed with it is banned? I didn't particularly take offense at Medeis's comments, but I still feel they were out of place and tactless, and the IP user was right. J I P  &#124; Talk 16:47, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Whatever a banned user posts is to be deleted and disregarded. Except to those who thrive on making personal attacks on established editors. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:38, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
 * "Disregarded" doesn't mean "automatically taken as falsehood". A banned user disagreed with Medeis's denigration of me, and other people's agreements with him were automatically disqualified, solely because he was banned. The only thing I am concerned with here is that solely because the user was banned, his opinion is automatically invalid, and thus Medeis's denigration of me, a non-native English speaker is automatically valid and acceptable. J I P  &#124; Talk 21:45, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Since banned editors are not allowed to edit, their edits do not exist. If you want to attack an established editor, you should do it directly instead of kissing up to a banned user. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:47, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I take your reply as offensive. It does not address my original question at all, only my grammar, which is not perfect, especially given as I am not a native English speaker, I have learned English as a completely foreign language. Please refrain from making such offensive comments, especially when they're your sole contribution, meant only to denigrate my grammar and not to actually answer my question at all. J I P  &#124; Talk 21:51, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I apologize, . My comment was meant as a joke, which I thought was clear from its utter absurdity. μηδείς (talk) 22:02, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I apologize, . My comment was meant as a joke, which I thought was clear from its utter absurdity. μηδείς (talk) 22:02, 6 July 2016 (UTC)


 * While you're demanding apologies, maybe you should apologize to the ref desk community for the question you asked farther down, which has since been deleted as being inappropriate for the ref desk. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:36, 6 July 2016 (UTC)


 * I have never heard of a hotel that would only take cash except for a very seedy establishment. But 448 € is a large sum. Why would they expect everyone to have such a large sum of money on their person? Dismas |(talk) 17:30, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
 * You've obviously never lived in Austria. It's still a cash-based society in many respects.  It's very usual for even quite upmarket restaurants and hotels to only accept cash.  It's a common sight to see people going into their wallets and counting out several €100 notes to pay their bill. --Viennese Waltz 17:39, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Wow, I did not know that. I spent one night in Innsbruck, and didn't take any special precaution to have extra cash on hand.  The Gasthaus I stayed in was quite economical but excellent; I don't know why you'd want to pay more as you wouldn't be any more comfortable and I might have had enough anyway, but I'm pretty sure they took my credit card; I would have remembered otherwise. --Trovatore (talk) 18:38, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

I asked the question directly from the hotel, and they replied:
 * In so einem Fall könnten Sie die Rechnung natürlich auch überweisen. Dies jedoch, wenn Sie direkt bei uns und nicht über booking-com buchen.

Apparently I could have paid the bill afterwards when I got home, but only if I had booked the room directly from the hotel, which I had not, I used booking.com. J I P &#124; Talk 19:17, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Google Translate renders that as "In such a case you could transfer the bill of course. This, however, if you book directly with us and not booking-com." ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:33, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Er, yeah? That's kind of what the OP already wrote. --Viennese Waltz 17:11, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
 * That wasn't clear to those of us who don't speak German. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:02, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
 * But he already translated it, so there was no need for your intervention. --Viennese Waltz 18:44, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
 * But it was not explicitly labeled, so I did not understand, and hence there was no need for YOUR intervention. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:19, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * They still didn't say what would have happened if the ATMs had remained out of order when I had booked through booking.com. I wouldn't have minded giving up all my 370 € in cash to them and leaving penniless, surely there would have been a working ATM at Wien Hauptbahnhof for the costs of the trip back home. But I really couldn't have stayed any longer in Pörtschach, because (1) I would have missed my flight, (2) I had run out of vacation days and had to be at work the next morning, and (3) having to stay longer in Austria would have only incurred more costs. J I P  &#124; Talk 19:44, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, they can't detain you on an unpaid bill. So in a pinch, you owe them, and in principle they can get a court to issue an order to impound money or parts of your property to pay the bill. But that won't happen immediately. Unless they have very good reason to believe that you planned it that way and are a serial offender, every hotel I can imagine will just send you the bill and expect you to settle it in a reasonable time frame, booking.com or not. They may not like it, because they have to pay booking.com a commission anyways, but there still is no other practical way. If you don't pay the bill, they might try to enforce payment in Finland (though with EUR 200 or so outstanding I doubt they will go that far). They might make trouble when you go back to Austria, and certainly if you want to go back to the same hotel. They might also snitch on you to get you blocked on booking.com. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 17:56, 7 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Very late to the conversation, but I personally left a hotel (Apartmentos Attica21) without paying the bill in Coruna, Spain. It was Sunday. I had a flight at 7am. The front desk didn't open until noon on Sunday. I had no idea that it would be closed on Sunday morning - otherwise, I would have paid the bill on Saturday night. So, I left a note at the desk with my email address and phone number and asked them to please bill me. Three days later, I got an email with a photocopy of the bill. I called them and paid by credit card. They emailed me a photocopy of the bill with "paid" stamped on it. I was very worried about stiffing them on the bill, but they apparently had no problem with it. To be fair, the people in the area didn't appear to have a problem with anything. With the exception that they only have one meal a day and that is at midnight, I really enjoyed the place. 209.149.113.4 (talk) 19:35, 12 July 2016 (UTC)