Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Miscellaneous/2016 June 21

= June 21 =

a tenure for a county clerk
Would you tell me how long a tenure for a county clerk in the US usually lasts? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.128.179.56 (talk) 02:01, 21 June 2016 (UTC)


 * America has 50 states, and 3,144 counties or their equivalents. County (United States). What you mean by "county clerk" is unclear.  It may be an elected or bureaucratic position of many types.  The term has no universal meaning.  For example, in some states judges (not that they are specifically clerks) are elected for varying terms, some are appointed for set or life terms.  Even bureaucratic clerks can be replaced, depending on state patronage laws.  The question needs to be far more specific, and the fact that states rule their own affairs except for very limited matters be taken into account. μηδείς (talk) 02:57, 21 June 2016 (UTC)


 * County clerk has a pretty standard meaning in US local politics. It's distinguished from clerks of court, and clerical staff in government offices. Many states provide a fairly strict definition of the office of county clerk in their constitutions, along with term lengths, which vary quite a bit. In Illinois it's 4 years, in Virginia it's 8 years. Alaska doesn't have counties. The California constitution doesn't say much of anything about county clerks. New York allows 3 or 4 year terms by constitution, leaving it up to the legislature to decide by statute (except for counties that are part of NYC, where they're appointed by the state appellate courts). There's obviously a bunch of others though. The short answer is you ought to start with the state constitution of the state you're curious about. —/M endaliv /2¢/Δ's/ 03:52, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Job profile of BDO in Jharkhand or Haryana
Can someone please tell me the salary, educational and age requirement, promotion citerea, work and other things about BDO in Jharkhand or Haryana?-- Aryan  ( है?) 04:29, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I assume you mean a Block Development Officer? Rojomoke (talk) 05:15, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Online discussion forum for people interested in fitness/exercise
Hi. I'm looking for a good online discussion forum for people interested in fitness/exercise, where there's a decent amount of helpful interaction from people who know what they're talking about. Suggestions welcomed. Thanks --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 08:55, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
 * The problem with internet groups, is that everyone is an expert, just like everyone is an expert in the gym. I personally read (and sometimes post) on this group http://theofficebodybuildingworkout28918.yuku.com/forums/1#.V2kP4FE3dwY It's probably not really what you're looking for, but I've picked up some good tips from it. --TrogWoolley (talk) 10:03, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Organs
I would like to ask a question about electronic organs. I am quite a music buff, so musical instruments such as these interest me. What I would like to know is, why do they cost so much? I'm talking about companies such as Lowrey and Wersi, whose top level organs are priced at around thirty thousand pounds. Given that one of these instruments can't have much more power than my five hundred pound laptop pic, how can those high prices be justified? I can buy decent keyboards from Nord and Casio and even Yamaha for the likes of two thousand pounds or considerably less. Those instruments are just as good. I could probably make my own synthesiser with two hundred pounds worth of parts and then some. Are Wersi and Lowrey mental? It seems to me they are. As a music buff, I should have the right to a rational explanation for these issues.

Here is a link to the Wersi Louvre. What kind of fool would buy that organ for that price, when it is probably worse than one of Casio's top things. Just because it is full size, rather than he "table top" keyboards I'm used to doesn't mean that Wersi get to rip me off! Sure it comes with a seat, but that seat probably cost Wersi pennies.

This is a Nord keyboard for the price of one thousand, two hundred and twenty-nine pounds only. The second links shows a keyboard which is far more powerful than Wersi Louvr scam. I do not trust these fools. I do not pay thirty grand for something which worth less than one percent of that.

Thank you Pablothepenguin (talk) 23:29, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Ps, If I put a price on the Wersi Louvre, it would go a for a "bargain" three thousand pounds, and Lowrey organs would be changed from ten grand to just one grand.


 * Are you seriously asking this? And are you really asking if those companies are mental? I can't imagine how anybody could not see the gigantic differences between those organs. Seriously. Anybody?--TMCk (talk) 23:54, 21 June 2016 (UTC)


 * (ec) Zzzzz. To the extent you have asked a question ('how can those high prices be justified?'), the answer is supply and demand: there's a market which supports an organ of that spec at that price. That's all the justification needed. As to why it might cost £30k rather than £1k ... three keyboards versus one. 61 & 76 keys versus 49. Pedals versus none. Sound reproduction system versus none. Large robust structure versus little plastic box. Build quality. Transport costs. Distribution of fixed costs over a smaller denominator of sales. All cogent reasons, even before we get on to Veblen goods. Me: I'd prefer a Hammond with a Leslie cab, but there you go. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:01, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I still feel that the price is too high, though, As, I said, the cabinetry is probably surprisingly cheap, and I could probably buy three keyboards, an amp some speakers and a pedalboard fr less than five thousand pounds. I can even use a few hundred pounds of wood to build some cabinetry for the whole setup. Still much less. Computationally, the internal circuitry does not justify the cost and Wersi are rather misinformed. Pablothepenguin (talk) 08:49, 22 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Electric cars appear to cost north of a hundred thousand pounds new and suffer a massive depreciation as soon as they leave the showroom.  They appear to be much simpler to build than their diesel/petrol equivalents, so why the huge price differential? 86.168.123.89 (talk) 09:46, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
 * They might appear to cost that much to you, but they don't. £20-£30k is much more likely for the Nissan Leaf, Renault Zoe or BMW i3 for example.  Part of that cost for some of those cars is the battery pack, which some commentators have estimated as costing around £10k.--Phil Holmes (talk) 09:53, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Not so fast, hombre.  This pricing appears to relate to electric SUVs.   How does this compare with conventional SUVs?   Tesla Model S appears to be a similarly priced normal car. 86.168.123.89 (talk) 10:21, 22 June 2016 (UTC)


 * | Here is an eBay listing for only four grand. You can see the difference that eBay makes. I told you I was right. Pablothepenguin (talk) 11:26, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
 * The phrase "stunning condition" in that ebay ad rather suggests that it is not a new machine. Wymspen (talk) 11:53, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I never said it was. Pablothepenguin (talk) 12:06, 22 June 2016 (UTC)


 * The Nord's still digital too. If you want something that your laptop can't do, and you aren't willing to consider the value of physical keys and knobs, then consider looking at actual analog synthesizers or tone wheel organs. Those can get pretty pricey too. To reiterate on the supply an demand, *all* musical instruments seem a bit overpriced to an outsider, right? These organs are often rather low production runs, selling primarily to professionals and institutions, not really "normal" individuals. Re: the car comparison, remember, "If you can afford a truck, you can afford a Synthesizer". SemanticMantis (talk) 13:48, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Instead of this silly discussion -- the obvious answer is "the Wersi instrument is priced as it is because the people buying it find it worth that price" -- someone might instead edit Wersi so that it doesn't read like an advertisement. --jpgordon&#x1d122;&#x1d106; &#x1D110;&#x1d107; 14:10, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

What Organ Is Right For Me?
I am interested in teaching myself how to play the organ. What would be an ideal starter organ for less than five grand? Pablothepenguin (talk) 14:18, 22 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Based on the above conversation I would suggest you leave the organ aside and get a cheap electronic keyboard like a synthesizer.--TMCk (talk) 15:03, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Maybe, but "cheap" is relative, and there's some terminology issues. Does OP really want an "organ" per se, and what does that mean to them? Is a digital organ an organ? Is a synthesizer an organ? The new Minimoog reissue costs $3.5k. Which, granted, is a lot less than $30k, but not really a casual purchase for most of us, and it's not really an organ, as it only plays one note at a time. OP is not going to get a tonewheel organ for $5k. He can get a very nice digital simulacra of a tonewheel from Nord . for $3.7k. There are also entry-level digital pianos for around $1k, many of which can make decent organ sounds. Still another option is to buy high-quality software like this  and get a nice midi controller to play on.
 * But this is quickly getting outside our purview.
 * I'd direct OP to the weekly "what should I buy?" thread at /r/synthesizers. If you give them a rough budget and feature request and describe what is most important to you (e.g. ease of play, faithful sonic recreation, foot pedals, portability?) you might get some good recommendations. SemanticMantis (talk) 15:37, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I was actually thinking of an organ, that is to say an instrument with two or more keyboards. This is because I want to teach myself how to play multiple keyboards at once. So, no synthesisers or digital pianos, please. Also I ment five thousand pounds, not dollars. Please bear these things in mind. Any other suggestions? Pablothepenguin (talk) 18:26, 22 June 2016 (UTC)


 * If you want an organ with lots of features and of high quality I would recommend something like that here.--TMCk (talk) 18:45, 22 June 2016 (UTC)


 * You should make up your mind about what it is that you actually want if you expect a more serious answer.--TMCk (talk) 19:02, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
 * What I would like is an instrument with Church organ, Hammond organ, Theatre Organ and orchestral sounds and two or more keyboards for less than five thousand pounds. Pablothepenguin (talk) 19:05, 22 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Right, ok, that's a very strange definition of an organ, but if you want two keyboards, that's fine. Did you see the Nord I linked? It has two keyboards. Here's a new Hammond with one keyboard . Lots of key players just mount different keyboards above/below each other using stands. Anyway, I take back what I said before - you should be able to get a used tonewheel organ for 5,000 pounds, just look at your local ebay/craigslist/pawn shop/classified ads. I just saw a real tonewheel Hammond A-100 from the 1950s going for $1500 in my area. (And please don't collapse/hat a comment just because you don't like it. Many of us would consider that rude. For a "music buff" you're not really explaining yourself very clearly. For example tone wheel organs and digital pianos and digital organs are all commonly classified as synthesizers. Just because an old Hammond isn't using the same technology a new Korg is doesn't make the Hammond anything other than an electro-mechanical synthesizer. And again, this isn't even what the reference desks are for, I'm just trying to help you a little because I find this stuff personally interesting and it's not explicitly disallowed for me to help you shop ;) SemanticMantis (talk) 19:08, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I dunno, (or actually I do) but a starter organ can be bought for 300 quid... If you are willing to spend ₤5000,- you can get some pretty top-notch instruments! If you're willing to check the second-hand market you'll see that your options are numerous.  O X Y G E N E 7-13  ( T A L K P A G E)  19:12, 22 June 2016 (UTC) WERSI is most definitely a very good choice, HAMMOND still makes some pretty amazing organs as well, CLAVIA not shure if analogue or digital, Diplom Ingenieur Heinz Ahlborn produces organs in a more retro style if that is what you prefer. The best thing to do is to go to your local musical instruments-store and get some face-to-face advice from an expert.  O X Y G E N E 7-13  ( T A L K P A G E)  19:12, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I would prefer an organ with proper wooden cabinetry, and also my instrument would need a pedalboard as well. Pablothepenguin (talk) 19:14, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
 * WERSI I'd say, big name, high quality.  O X Y G E N E 7-13  ( T A L K P A G E)  19:26, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I am struggling to find Lowrey or Wersi pre owned organs in Scotland, where I'm from. Please help. Pablothepenguin (talk) 19:39, 22 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Wersi pre-owned.--TMCk (talk) 19:45, 22 June 2016 (UTC)


 * There are church organs and church organs.  I told my mother I wanted a harmonium and she bought me one in an auction for about two pounds.   It was later sold in another auction for a fiver.   My local library has a piano which you can book for a session.   If you're wondering how a library can provide this service you wear headphones same as when you're using the computers.   My local community centre has a piano in the foyer, and if the times are inconvenient there are two pianos on the concourse at St Pancras Station which appears to be open 24/7 (although neighbouring Kings Cross closes after the last train). 80.44.160.251 (talk) 14:16, 23 June 2016 (UTC)