Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Miscellaneous/2016 May 27

= May 27 =

Green Bay soldiers' memorial
According to Green Bay Packers, Inc., the club's incorporation documents originally stipulated that profits from a hypothetical sale of the team must be given to the Sullivan-Wallen Post of the American Legion so that the club could build a memorial to local soldiers (the date being 1923, I expect that this is a memorial to the World War, although perhaps the Civil War or all wars), but since the team has never been sold, the post never got any money from this source. Did such a memorial ever get built from other monies? It's easy to find mentions of this clause online, but not easy to find anything about the memorial's existence or non-existence. Nyttend (talk) 03:50, 27 May 2016 (UTC)


 * User:Nyttend, I don't know why this was so difficult to find on Google, I had to resort to looking at the pictures on Google Images, but finally: Green Bay Memorial Park and Memorial which is actually several memorials to the fallen of various conflicts, set in a largish park. There is a post at the bottom of the page which is from a man who recounts how his father in the "early-mid-1960s" was "instrumental in rallying the downtown Green Bay business community in establishing a veterans' memorial". Alansplodge (talk) 20:36, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

dobsonville stadium
i want to know about the negative and positive impacts the dobsonville stadium caused to the community of dobsonville — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.154.127.58 (talk) 08:09, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia has articles about Dobsonville Stadium and Dobsonville which is a township in greater Soweto, Johannesburg, South Africa. The stadium is mostly used for football matches, being the home ground of the Moroka Swallows soccer club, and is also equipped with an athletics track. Here are many images  AllBestFaith (talk) 11:58, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Not exactly impartial, but here are the charitable activities of the company that operates it. Alansplodge (talk) 20:40, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

Strongest whisky/whiskey and tequila
I've found on the web that the strongest whisky/whiskey available is the Bruichladdich X4 Quadrupled Whisky at 184 U.S. proof but the pictures show it is "only" 63.5% ABV. Same for Sierra Tequila Silver, rated 150 U.S. proof but the label say only 38% ABV. Notice that U.S. proof is defined "two times ABV".--Carnby (talk) 10:29, 27 May 2016 (UTC)


 * 63.5% ABV is pretty normal for a cask strength ("barrel proof" to Americans) whisky. It is usually then diluted to around 40% prior to bottling but most distilleries also sell their whiskies at the original strength.--Ykraps (talk) 11:55, 27 May 2016 (UTC)


 * The discrepancy between the off-still and 3yo strengths is likely to be be at least in part due to the Angel's share: 90% ABV ethanol evaporates quite aggressively (ObPersonal: particularly in the mouth). {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 185.74.232.130 (talk)


 * Does rectified spirit count? It's 95 or 95.6% ABV straight out of the bottle, the latter of which is the highest physically possible percentage of alcohol to drink as stronger alcohol would immediately suck water vapor out of the air. It is not intended for drinking undiluted (even 75.5% makes mouth drool for 20 minutes and a cup of 95.6% would kill the average person. I don't know if lesser amounts could swell the throat shut as a response to getting its water sucked out of it and cause death by asphyxiation). Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 16:13, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
 * on pretty much all of those claims. Matt Deres (talk) 16:27, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Some of them are supported by refs given at this Straight Dope thread . I don't know of any ref for how much SMW drools after drinking. ;) SemanticMantis (talk) 17:11, 27 May 2016 (UTC)


 * The third red warning label of this bottle says "CAUTION: DO NOT APPLY TO OPEN FLAME. KEEP AWAY FROM FIRE, HEAT AND OPEN FLAME - CONTENTS MAY IGNITE OR EXPLODE. DO NOT CONSUME IN EXCESSIVE QUANTITIES. NOT INTENDED FOR CONSUMPTION UNLESS MIXED WITH A NON-ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE" (emphasis theirs). EverclearHiRes.jpg
 * Ethanol LD50. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 20:49, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Do Europeans really wear scarves in the summer?
If you are from, or live in, Europe, could you please tell me your gender, where in Europe, and whether or not you wear a scarf in the summer? 173.17.170.8 (talk) 18:29, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm from the netherlands, male, and no, I don't wear a scarf in the summer... But why do you ask?  O X Y G E N E 7-13  ( T A L K P A G E)  18:32, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I will be traveling to Europe (various Mediterranean ports of call) this summer, and do not wish to stand out as a tourist. I was told that one way to "dress European" is to wear a scarf, because everyone wears scarves, men and women, winter and summer. 173.17.170.8 (talk) 19:09, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, that's a severe case of b*llsh|t...  O X Y G E N E 7-13  ( T A L K P A G E)  19:13, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, sure. Someone might be trying to have a bit of fun at OP's expense, or is themselves mistaken. It is certainly not true that everyone in Europe wears scarves all the time. On the other hand, it's not so crazy to think that males wearing scarves and anyone wearing scarves in warm weather is more common in Europe than in e.g. USA. Here's and article that discusses a bit of the history and incidence of scarf wearing, mentioning many European fashion houses. (WP:OR: When I lived in northern California, I had a lot of international graduate student friends. And if a male showed up at a party in April wearing a scarf, his conditional probability of being European was about 85% :) SemanticMantis (talk) 19:20, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

And this again confirms the european ideas about americans...  O X Y G E N E 7-13  ( T A L K P A G E)  19:43, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
 * A tiny minority of Europeans wear scarves in summer AFAIK. Gender and location inside Europe is irrelevant (although females are probably more likely to wear them than males). Weather conditions and religion are far more relevant. The Quixotic Potato (talk) 19:50, 27 May 2016 (UTC)


 * There's a fine line between a shawl and a scarf. Try an image search for the city you're going to. I googled "summer scarf barcelona men" and got this, some of which are clearly catwalk pretences, but others are street snaps of what people are actually wearing. Carbon Caryatid (talk) 23:59, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
 * By including the word "scarf" in the searchquery you are ensuring that the results are not useful, see selection bias. If you google, for example, "barcelona people shopping summer" or "barcelona people street summer" you will see that no one wears scarves. The Quixotic Potato (talk) 00:04, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

For the last year or two wearing a wraparound scarf has been something of a fatuous fashion statement so it is possible to see people wearing a scarf of usually light material on a warm day. These people a a small minority and do not represent European dress style. Wearing or not wearing a scarf will not mark you out as either a tourist or a local resident. I am an old male from the UK and I can definitely smell something bovine. Richard Avery (talk) 07:07, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

My wife and I moved to Switzerland last year. Prior to the move she didn't own any light summer scarves, but she definitely decided that she wanted to own some when we got here. She still doesn't wear them often, nor do most locals, but they are definitely more common here than where we lived in California. For my part, I have no interest in wearing a scarf and I think that is an equally fine choice. Dragons flight (talk) 07:43, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

I was struck in Paris by how many people wear scarves indoors in cafés and restaurants. In the 2010–11 Premier League, players wearing snoods (until they were banned as hazardous) fed into the general effete Continentals — sturdy Britons caricature. jnestorius(talk) 10:29, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I think it was a fad a couple of years ago among hipsters. Dan Fletcher wrote: "Hipsters manage to attract a loathing unique in its intensity. Critics have described the loosely defined group as smug, full of contradictions and, ultimately, the dead end of Western civilization." in TIME. Today I walked around for a bit, and the only people here who are wearing scarves are wearing them for religious purposes. The Quixotic Potato (talk) 11:19, 28 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Purely OR here but... some dress sense advisors advise the use of scarves to brighten up dull business suits on women who have to wear them for business. I'm thinking of the Colour Me Beautiful franchise here, so it may well be that some businesswomen in Europe/UK will wear a scarf in summer as this is what they have been advised. Colour analysis seems to be the practice. --TammyMoet (talk) 11:34, 29 May 2016 (UTC) And from a purely practical point of view, it does get really chilly out of the sun or in the evenings, so a scarf becomes more of a practical accessory, at least in the UK. --TammyMoet (talk) 11:36, 29 May 2016 (UTC)


 * In Norway, my first association is that some male members of the financial elite wear a scarf inside their shirt instead of using a tie, when wearing their tailor-made suits. Do an image search for Christian Ringnes to see what kind of scarf I'm referring to. Olav Thon also frequently uses a scarf in a similar manner (see picture in article), together with his characteristic cap. It projects wealth, living in the most expensive areas of the west side of Oslo etc, and is (I believe) slightly old-fashioned. The phenomenon is occationally observed in wannabes too. --NorwegianBluetalk 20:40, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
 * It seems similar to "day cravats" worn inside the shirt. Google "Matt Preston", the way he wears some of his cravats seems pretty much the same as what you are referring to. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 19:04, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's it. The best article to link to is Ascot tie, accessible also through the redirect Day cravat. --NorwegianBluetalk 21:05, 1 June 2016 (UTC)