Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Miscellaneous/2016 November 21

= November 21 =

Tie-dye
FYI, in the article Tie-dye, the subsection Tie Style in Thailand’s Urban Community is ludicrously different from the rest of the article, as well as being rife with spelling and grammatical errors.Bh12 (talk) 08:50, 21 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Things like that should be raised on the Talk page for the article, not in the Reference Desk. Wymspen (talk) 10:07, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

OK.Bh12 (talk) 18:38, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

London Transport fare zones
London fare zones says that "For some services outside Greater London where fares are set by Transport for London there are three additional zones 7, 8 and 9." I would like to know when these zones 7 to 9 were introduced. I lived in London in the 1990s and I'm pretty sure they didn't exist then, it was just zones 1 to 6. A friend maintains that they always existed but were previously called zones A to C and were simply renamed at some point, but I can't remember zones A to C ever existing either. Thanks, --Viennese Waltz 16:06, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
 * List of stations in London fare zones 7–W has a history section which is a timeline of changes. -- Jayron 32 16:27, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Some earlier history at Travelcard, but it doesn't say much about zoning after the creation of Zone 6 (by halving Zone 5) in January 1991. Alansplodge (talk) 19:21, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
 * A Tube map from 1998 shows that the stations outside zone 6 were just marked with "Special fares apply to/from these stations" - which is pretty much how I remember it from living on the northern reaches of the Metropolitan line from the mid-80s to the early 00s. The lettered zones may or may not have existed, but they weren't explicitly marked on tube maps until about 10 years ago, so a member of the travelling public probably wouldn't have known about them. - Cucumber Mike (talk) 13:57, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
 * [Posting from banned user deleted]
 * Thanks both. Interestingly, I did a bit of digging in that tube map website you linked me to and found this one from 1999, which also shows overground stations. The north west corner of the Metropolitan line does indeed have the letters marked on it. --Viennese Waltz 14:24, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

how to get to uk
hi am rapbhi living in PAKISTAN and want to lvie in UK but no money or job. how to live in UK, how to claim benifit how to get home please. wife and 4 kid. --Rapbhi (talk) 18:53, 21 November 2016 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid we can't give legal advice on the reference desks. Tevildo (talk) 21:27, 21 November 2016 (UTC)


 * There are generally many broad categories you must fit into to be allowed to move to a nation, if you are not a citizen there:


 * 1) Asylum seeker. You would need to be able to prove you are in danger where you are.


 * 2) Have skills they need. If you have skills and education which that nation lacks, they may give you a special visa.


 * 3) Have a job there waiting for you. For example, migrant workers are sometimes brought in from other nations.


 * 4) Have family already there.


 * 5) Have been accepted in a university there (and perhaps you must pay tuition first).


 * I don't know specifically which of these apply to the UK, or if they have additional categories. StuRat (talk) 16:41, 23 November 2016 (UTC)


 * The UK Visas and Immigration website seems to be the place to look. This blog page summarises the process. --Nicknack009 (talk) 17:18, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Non-EU nationals cannot claim benefits for the first two years, sorry. [] If you want to apply for residency, you must satisfy one of the following criteria:
 * Be the family member or partner of a British citizen
 * Be the family member or partner of someone who has settled in the UK
 * Have a visitor visa
 * Have a study visa
 * Have a work visa
 * Have a UK Ancestry visa
 * Have a Retired Person visa
 * Have been settled in the UK before
 * Have Discretionary Leave
 * Have been in HM Forces
 * Be on the 10-year Private Life route
 * Have been in the UK legally for 10 years (Long Residence)
 * Or you must be a refugee or an asylum seeker. See here []--Ykraps (talk) 17:44, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Did Joy Mangano have any trouble with intellectual property rights for her Miracle Mop
Did Joy Mangano have any trouble with intellectual property rights for her Miracle Mop, as depicted in the movie? I know the movie was accurate in that she had a hard time selling the product at first -- but did she have any trouble specifically with patent rights? 2601:646:8E01:7E0B:F88D:DE34:7772:8E5B (talk) 23:38, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I can't find anything specific on this, and the lack of information suggests that there weren't major problems. This unofficial biography mentions that she had invented a reflective flea collar earlier in life, but didn't know how to go about patenting it at the time, and that obtaining the patent on the mop was part of a list of start-up expenses totaling nearly $100,000.  There's also a list of her patents here, which shows that it took nearly two years for her first patent to be approved, and that this was some years after the initial invention mention in her Wikipedia article.  The details of the patent discuss the similarities with and differences from other designs. Warofdreams talk 15:16, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks! So, they made up the nasty patent battle to add drama (and also to illustrate the kind of problems many other inventors face in their career), right? 2601:646:8E01:7E0B:F88D:DE34:7772:8E5B (talk) 22:19, 23 November 2016 (UTC)