Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Miscellaneous/2017 December 7

= December 7 =

Pull-Up Variation
Hi all. Not sure if this is the right place for this but will ask anyway. I saw a video once of a pull-up variation but can't find it now and don't know the name of the exercise. Basically, the guy went from a dead hang into the pull up position. He then holds his legs out straight so that they're parallel with the ground. He then moved himself backwards and forwards in this position, legs parallel with the ground at all times. Anyone have any idea what it's called? Thanks. 90.196.50.123 (talk) 01:44, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
 * "L-sit pull-up" (aka L-hang pull-up) fits the first part of your description; however, this is not listed in the article: Pull-up (exercise). 2606:A000:4C0C:E200:E0C2:7665:8339:5B1F (talk) 05:22, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
 * "L-Sit Chin-Up" also has a lot of Google results; we used to do "chin-ups" at school in the UK rather than "pull-ups". Alansplodge (talk) 09:02, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Gah, chin-up and pull-up (exercise) should surely be merged, as both discuss that their respective terms can include both grips, but pull-up perversely retains "not to be confused with chin-up" right at the top. (So far as I can tell this is not so much of a US/UK thing, as terminologies that have swapped back and forth over time)SemanticMantis (talk) 15:20, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Demographics
Under the subtitle "demographics" for all articles in Wikipedia that contain demographics, "white" is listed first. Why? If there is no scientific reason or contextual framework, then groups should be listed in an alphabetical scheme as a matter of order and reading ease, or racial and social neutrality. I suspect "white' is listed first habitually, or because of an implicit bias that "white" should be listed first as an order of importance, or that more "whites" may populate a certain area; but not in Detroit, Atlanta, St. Louis, Memphis, Baltimore, Birmingham, Cleveland, New Orleans or Newark to name just a few major cities in America with a majority "black" populous. So why then?

I propose that the policy, if one exists, for listing groups under the subtitle "demographics" be changed to reflect an alphabetical listing of racial groups.

E Thrower — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ediththrower (talk • contribs) 20:46, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
 * The main reason for the order used is probably that it is the order in which the data is presented by the US Census Bureau - which is the source for most of the figures. Wymspen (talk) 21:06, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
 * This reminds me of a bigoted airline joke. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 21:15, 7 December 2017 (UTC)


 * That sounds like a lot of tedious work. You could start with Detroit: check the talk page and its archives to see if this was previously discussed, and then seek consensus. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:32, 7 December 2017 (UTC)


 * It may be that in the articles you are looking at, the racial groups are listed in order by proportion. In many U.S. places, "whites" are the largest racial group.  -- Jayron 32 01:32, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
 * In the Memphis, Tennessee article, African-Americans are listed first (in the paragraph list, not in the chart) as they are the largest racial group by proportion in this city.--WaltCip (talk) 20:37, 8 December 2017 (UTC)


 * This discussion belongs elsewhere. Luzerne county, Penna., is the only Polish-majority county in the US.  Likewise, there are Finnish majority counties in Minnesota.  Should we list these counties as "white" majority, since Poles and Finns are "white"?  In any case, posting this here is (however unintentional) a form of forum shopping. μηδείς (talk) 21:40, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
 * The problem with absolute statements like the OP is that they can be disproven with a single contrary example. E.g. Demographics_of_South_Africa. More contrary examples can be provided if need be.  Furthermore, all demographics articles I've looked at list groups in order of proportion of population.  Iapetus (talk) 11:16, 11 December 2017 (UTC)