Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Miscellaneous/2017 September 4

= September 4 =

Western billionaires in Congo mining
I'm reposting my question as it was deleted by Medeis who intended to inappropriately censor it. Rubiconco (talk) 05:36, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Are there any other Western billionaires or very rich individuals (excluding family members) involved in Congo mining, currently or recently?


 * Robert Friedland
 * Lukas Lundin
 * Beny Steinmetz
 * Dan Gertler
 * George Arthur Forrest

Rubiconco (talk) 22:18, 31 August 2017 (UTC)


 * I have removed from your list an unreferenced item. Do you have any point beyond asking for a list of presumably evil businessmen?  We provide references, not doxxing. μηδείς (talk) 17:21, 1 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Is there a rule that a reference question has to provide citations? If necessary I can do so but it doesn't seem to be a rule. Instead I think you are acting inappropriately by editing my question without my permission. I have put back in the full text of my question. I have not said anything about people being evil. Rubiconco (talk) 11:34, 2 September 2017 (UTC)


 * See WP:BLP. μηδείς (talk) 00:13, 3 September 2017 (UTC)


 * What rule has been violated? How do you justify your censorship? Rubiconco (talk) 03:44, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
 * You alleged without any reference that an unlinked individual, since removed from the list, was involved in mining in the Congo. WP:BLP applies to Talk pages and these ref desk pages. Actually, you appear to be on dangerous ground with 3 2 of the other entries too. It looks like only Lundin, Gertler and Forrest are involved in mining in that country. Akld guy (talk) 05:09, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I think only Beny Steinmetz is a possible problem of those remaining going solely by our articles. George Arthur Forrest and Dan Gertler mention in our articles involvement in mining in DRC. (Well I didn't check the sources, but if the articles are not properly sources I think we should be worrying about the articles, not a list here.) Lukas Lundin says he's the founder and chairman of Lundin Mining and Lundin Mining says have operations in DRC with specific mention of developing Cobalt and Copper deposits. Robert Friedland doesn't mention Congo in the article text, but the title of one of the sources is "Robert Friedland’s Ivanhoe Mines Announces Updated Economic Assessment for Copper Project in Congo" and the source confirms the title isn't misleading. Beny Steinmetz as hinted doesn't seem to give any indication of involvement in mining in the Congo. The again a quick search finds a lot of mentions of him having investments or involvement in Congo [//www.ft.com/content/51060cbe-c5f8-11e6-8f29-9445cac8966f] [//www.africa-confidential.com/article-preview/id/4862/Beny_bites_back] [//www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/07/08/buried-secrets]  although most of these although mentioning he is a mining magnate etc don't explicitly mention these investments/business/whatever were mining related. But I finally found [//www.bloomberg.com/billionaires/profiles/beny-steinmetz/] which does explicitly mentioning involvement in mining in DRC. Frankly, in the case of Beny Steinmetz, our article and these sources suggest that simply involvement in mining in DRC is less concerning than the various allegations surrounding him mentioned in our aricle and these sources, including the DRC investments whatever they were. Nil Einne (talk) 15:14, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Eel dish in the Chicago area
Hey folks, I'm looking to see if there is a Japanese eel dish called Hitsumabushi （櫃まぶし/ひつまぶし; sometimes kanji are not used to spell it out）served in any restaurants around the Chicago area. It's a meal featuring grilled eel that is eaten in three different ways: by itself, with a combination of green onion and wasabi, and as a soup using a tea-based broth called　ochazuke (お茶漬け). The dish is a specialty in the city of Nagoya. There aren't any predominantly Japanese neighborhoods in the city proper, but many Japanese-Americans live in the suburb of Arlington Heights, Illinois, so one lead may be to look at restaurants in that area. Thanks for any help you can provide. I JethroBT drop me a line 05:17, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
 * A possible tip: you might have some luck contacting a few members of WikiProject Chicago. 38.88.99.222 (talk) 08:10, 5 September 2017 (UTC)


 * The ONLY U.S.-based restaurant I can find that serves the dish is Sun-Chan in New York City. See, .  I can find no Chicago-based restaurants that serve it.  -- Jayron 32 12:13, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Chuck E. Cheese's tokens
Having encountered this story, I'm left wondering — if you have extra tokens and walk into a Chuck E. Cheese's, can you redeem them for cash? Or would monetizing them require a private sale, e.g. "Hey mister, I have a couple of extra, if you have a dollar"? Nyttend backup (talk) 14:59, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
 * In the absence of laws requiring it, which will depend on jurisdiction and circumstances, that will depend entirely on Chuck E. Cheese, but the answer is likely to be no. You can see for example, that you can use tokens to store value on the new PlayPass card they are adopting and also combine value of PlayPass card, but you can't redeem the card for cash unless required by law [//www.chuckecheese.com/playpass-termsandprivacy]. It's quite likely the T&C for the tokens would be the same. Nil Einne (talk) 15:14, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
 * In the UK, similar tokens or coupons often carry (very) small print stating their monetary value to be 0.0001p or some such tiny figure. See also Trading stamp. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.204.180.96 (talk) 17:05, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
 * In the United States, coupons usually have similar fine print. I've always wondered why that is (i.e. why they need to have a monetary value at all): is it to establish consideration, so that the exchange is a legal contract?OldTimeNESter (talk) 10:48, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2014/03/coupons-sometimes-say-worth-fraction-penny/ -- Finlay McWalter··–·Talk 11:17, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * For the law on this see . 92.24.110.225 (talk) 11:20, 5 September 2017 (UTC)