Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Miscellaneous/2019 December 9

= December 9 =

Epstein
Many people seem to agree that Epstein didn't commit suicide. What happened then? Is it most likely that prison staff killed him or that he was visited by his killer? If some people are so powerful to do it, are they also powerful enough to control the aftermath investigation? Ericdec85 (talk) 05:09, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
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 * Ericdec85—your are implying that "one of the oldest Ashkenazi Jewish family names" was killed. Do you have a reliable source to support this? Bus stop (talk) 05:42, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Maybe it was the notorious Epstein–behind-bars virus what done him in. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:23, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I got my news from this source. Bus stop (talk) 17:12, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Nobody except conspiracy theorists believe it was murder. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 07:40, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Need a citation for that; oh that's easy. I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I don't believe it was suicide. --jpgordon&#x1d122;&#x1d106; &#x1D110;&#x1d107; 16:01, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
 * How many conspiracies does one need to believe in before one becomes a conspiracy theorist? Is a person who commits his first murder not yet a murderer? --  Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  18:49, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
 * It only takes one. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:15, 9 December 2019 (UTC)


 * "Many people seem to agree"...? Who? --CiaPan (talk) 10:00, 8 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Since no one has linked them yet: WP currently has two articles on the topic: Death of Jeffrey Epstein and "Epstein didn't kill himself". (The discussion about merging the two articles can be found here). ---Sluzzelin talk  16:09, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Neither of which has solid evidence of homicide. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:15, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Please refer to the page header: "We don't answer requests for opinions, predictions, or debate." No one here has secret inside knowledge about Epstein, and even if we did this wouldn't be the appropriate forum for it. --47.146.63.87 (talk) 02:40, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * You're right. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 04:34, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Kiel Canal
Does anybody know what the wooden articles on the opposite bank in this image are used for? They appear to be logs bolted together. The water in the Kiel Canal. Thank you in anticipation. Richard Avery (talk) 22:53, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Edited to provide a heading. Great question BTW. Thanks. Anton 81.131.40.58 (talk) 10:38, 10 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Not sure at all, but they may be part of disused dolphins. This picture in Der Spiegel shows a worker sawing up de-commissioned dolphins which had been infested and destabilised by Teredo navalis (naval shipworm). The wood pictured in Der Spiegel came out of the same body of water seen on Richard Avery's picture, the Kiel Canal. The Spiegel slide show is about marine invasive species; apparently this shipworm has adapted to less saline water during the past decades. ---Sluzzelin  talk  10:41, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you Anton for correcting my slip. And thank you and well done Sluzzelin for great detective work. That looks convincing. Richard Avery (talk) 14:09, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I saw that some of them appear to be capped, kind of like in File:Dykdalb.jpg. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:00, 10 December 2019 (UTC)