Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Miscellaneous/2019 October 16

= October 16 =

working on sourcing
I am trying to improve the sourcing on the workers day article, as time permits every now and then. So my question is less for a reference but opinion on policy i guess. One statement, that may day is celebrated by the Communist Party of Bhutan is impossible to source. Now, of course i could just remove the claim and the country entirely but i was wondering if that ventures into sky is blue territory. I would like to source it properly, just to have the country in the list somehow i guess, but otherwise care little and have removed some things as well before. I mean there is no way to reliably source what some communist rebels in bhutan do on may day but... is it sky is blue... or communists are red in this case? ;) Cheers for opinions on the matter and it will be fine either way. 2003:D6:2729:FF9A:81E3:D836:355E:F212 (talk) 03:21, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh, and one more thing i just thought of while glancing at the list of countries overall. I have looked for a reliable source (not one of those holiday generator list things please) that actually states that Palestine celebrates may day as well. Now i have not looked for it this time around yet as i have only just now thought of the issue, but i could not find anything other than a blog or whatever if memory serves right. And even for something as uncontroversial as that, a blog won't do in my opinion. So any help in that regard would be great. And it is celebrated (at least according to the unreferenced article, the blog i remember and so on), i just cannot verify it with anything reliable. So any help with that would be even more apreciated. Anyway, cheers for any comments. 2003:D6:2729:FF9A:81E3:D836:355E:F212 (talk) 03:38, 16 October 2019 (UTC)


 * One suggestion is to look for governmental office calendars. They should list official holidays when the office is closed, but may also list unofficial holidays. SinisterLefty (talk) 04:08, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh yes, i have no issue finding regular things most of the time pretty easy(like the holiday schedule of US embassies for example), Palestine just... has no such place to look up i guess lol. I mean i don't speak the language either, so anything official, which would do surely, i could not find. Or just some passing mention in some reliable middle eastern newspaper or whatever. Hence my issue really. Some nations i thought would be challenging were no problem. But Palestine, no luck, skill and ability to find anything to verify it haha. 2003:D6:2729:FF9A:81E3:D836:355E:F212 (talk) 04:22, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Public holidays in the State of Palestine doesn't have any sources, but does have a list. -- Jayron 32 13:14, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah, and that sadly is the issue. I know that it commemorated in some way. But no where can i find anything to verify it. And that is all that is needed really. I mean some passing mention in some reliable Syrian, Lebanese or Egyptian paper saying "oh hey look, Palestine has labour day too", for example, would be enough presumably. Or a primary document from a trade federation, government or what have you. Verifiablity not truth, as we all know :P 2003:D6:2729:FF9A:FDA5:157F:5A04:910D (talk) 13:43, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 * This isn't the best source [//www.mne.gov.ps/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabindex=4&tabid=9&lng=1], but it seems to confirm Labour Day on 1st May is a holiday in Palestinian Authority areas as of sometimes ~2000-2004. This suggests it was probably still that in 2014 [//www.nsdl.org.ps/site/en/?p=1317]. Not sure about Hamas controlled areas but [//hamas.ps/en/post/675/press-release-concerning-international-labour-day] makes me think it probably is. also suggests that Labour Day (of undefined date) is a public holiday in Gaza circa between 2010-2016 or so. I agree that finding someone who can understand Arabic will likely let you find better sources. BTW, it's not that hard to find sources discussing various celebrations or recognition in some part of Palestine in both English e.g. [//www.qudsbank.ps/uploads/CSR_QB_2011.pdf]   [//www.marsad.ps/en/2016/04/30/unemployment-rate-palestine-2015-reached-26-says-statistics-bureau/]  and Arabic, and at least some of these may be RS, but that doesn't of course tell you if it's a public holiday or how widely it's celebrated. Nil Einne (talk) 18:24, 16 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Frankly I'm not convinced the day being celebrated by one banned minor political party in Bhutan is significant enough to add to the article, unless there's something particularly significant or contentious about that e.g. people are arrested for doing so. To put it a different way, if the Communist Party's celebration is so insignificant that it's impossible to source, then removing it is probably reasonable even if it's true. That said, it's also possible this is the sort of thing which may be could be sourced if you could understand Dzongkha or Nepali or something and had access to media and other sources from Bhutan. If celebrating May Day is a problem in Bhutan this probably should be mentioned separately from whether or not the Communist Party celebrates it. It does not seem to be an official holiday in Bhutan [//www.justbhutantours.bt/public/docs/bhutan-government-holidays-2018-2019.pdf], but that does not mean celebrating it is a problem. Nil Einne (talk) 17:57, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 * To be honest, that is pretty much what i thought, but i was just curious and thought asking would not hurt. And quite frankly, i know hardly anything of Bhutan other than the name itself and where the place actually is... Now oddly enough i do know someone who speaks Nepali... but i don't see the point in contacting them out of the blue asking them to look for something Wikipedia related for me haha. Especially something as low priority as this. I think i will just remove it. But much apreciated for the comment on this and the other matter. Should do, but if anyone finds anything extra, do feel free of course. Thanks for the effort anyway. 2003:D6:2729:FF97:4578:6363:8AD9:F5A0 (talk) 19:31, 16 October 2019 (UTC)