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= September 5 =

Ken Ham nationality
I've raised this issue a couple of times on the article's Talk page, with no conclusive response, just guesses and assumptions, so I thought I would bring it to a wider audience here. The article says he is "an Australian Christian fundamentalist...." Ham was certainly born in Australia, but has lived and worked in the US for over three decades now. I would guess that by now he would be a US citizen, but can find no evidence. Googling simply gives me statements similar to the above, probably all based on what our article says. Does anyone know? Is there a way of finding out? HiLo48 (talk) 02:12, 5 September 2019 (UTC)


 * I can't point you at a source that explicitly states his citizenship, but Ken Ham is registered to vote in Kentucky, which you cannot do lawfully unless a US citizen. Someguy1221 (talk) 02:33, 5 September 2019 (UTC)


 * On the other hand, I've known several people who lived in the US similarly long without taking citizenship. —Tamfang (talk) 17:39, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Doubt
I quote an excerpt from an article in a New York newspaper one day before the 1988 US presidential election.

"The dominant company now in the sale and programming of computerized vote-counting systems for public elections, the Cronus Industries, the Business Records Corporation (BRC) is better known as its sole and wholly owned subsidiary. Cronus / BRC has accused the RF Shoup Company, of Bryn Mawr, Pennsylvania — one of its rivals for a-million-dollar voting-equipment order from New York City — of infringing BRC patents in the very DRE vote-count machine, that Shoup is trying to sell to New York In a lawsuit filed last November in Philadelphia, Cronus, on whose equipment between the forty-five million votes will be counted this year, has also sought to discredit Shoup, on the basis of a 1979 conviction of Ransom Shoup II, the president of the company, of two federal felonies — conspiracy and obstruction of justice — in connection with an FBI s For these offenses, Ransom Shoup was fined ten thousand dollars and given a three-year suspended sentence. Counterattacking, the Shoup firm, whose equipment will tabulate an estimated million and a half of votes on November 8th, has accused Cronus of reaching for "to virtual monopoly on supply of voting equipment for political elections in the United States" and has alleged that the Cronus vote-counting systems that are in use "inherently facilitate the opportunity for various forms. of fraud" and "create new and unique opportunities for fraudulent and extremely difficult to detect manipulation and alterations with respect to election results. " In 1985 and 1986, Cronus bought Computer Election Systems and eight smaller election-equipment and election-printing firms, while selling off three other subsidiaries, transforming itself, into eighteen months, from a small conglomerate of disparate industrial businesses into the titan of the computerized-vote-counting business. Cronus is now responsible for most C.E.S. systems that are still in service and for computer-based "mark-sense" voting system that B.R.C. has sold in the past few years. B.R.C. also sells computerized voter-registration systems; election supplies, including, this year, perhaps a hundred and sixty million punch-card ballots; election assistance and service; and other computerized information services for local governments. C.E.S. used to take pride in publicizing the millions of votes cast on its machines (to total of three hundred and fifty million between 1964 and 1984), and after Cronus bought CES, in 1985, CA Rundell, Jr., then the chairman and chief executive officer of Cronus, told a reporter that his company had about forty for cent of the election-service market. But when I asked Rundell this year how many votes in 1988 and in which jurisdictions, he refused to say. "He declared," We are certainly going to provide you with a list of customers and the kinds of systems they have. "We've got to ask how much competitive intelligence we divulge to our competition." He did volunteer for the total for Cronus systems was below thirty-five million. Officials at R. F. Shoup, however, seeking to prove that Cronus is a monopoly, charge that Cronus systems will count fifty or sixty million votes on November 8th. In any case, Cronus and C.E.S. systems are used by the voters in such cities as Los Angeles, Chicago, Detroit, Houston, Phoenix, Miami, Seattle, Minneapolis, Cincinnati, and Cleveland. " https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1988/11/07/counting-votes

A passage is not clear to me: these cities mentioned above, at the time, may be that how they adopted punch cards? Thank you in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.41.100.198 (talk) 22:17, 5 September 2019 (UTC)