Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Miscellaneous/2020 December 5

= December 5 =

Utøya massacre survivors
Have any of the young survivors of the Utøya massacre entered public life as notable politicians yet? --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 18:14, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Politician Elise Bjørnebekk-Waagen is at any rate notable enough to have a WP article. Peace activist Bjørn Ihler might meet your criteria as well. --Antiquary (talk) 18:42, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * We also have articles on Fredric Holen Bjørdal and Adrian Pracon. --Antiquary (talk) 18:55, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you. That's fantastic. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 19:08, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Also Åsmund Grøver Aukrust, Stine Renate Håheim, and Eigil Knutsen. Perhaps enough for a category?  Alansplodge (talk) 00:23, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Even more fantastic. Re Category. I'd guess it meets WP:CATDEF, so yes. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 08:41, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Other politicians who are survivors of the attack are Eskil Pedersen, Even Aleksander Hagen and Vegard Wennesland. Viljar Hanssen is also a politician who survived the attack, but we do not have an article on him, so he may not be notable enough. He is mentioned, though, in the article on his mother, Christin Kristoffersen, so we can set up a redirect for him. If a category is created, it should be for the (notable) survivors in general, even though the notable survivors seem to have become notable by becoming politicians. A borderline case is Marcel Gleffe: he was not on the island, but several times so close with his boat while saving people that he ran the risk of being shot. --Lambiam 14:57, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

I wonder if it's worth adding something in 2011_Norway_attacks? --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 09:03, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
 * The Utøya summer camp was mainly attended by some 600 youngsters, mostly cadres of the Workers' Youth League, the youth organization of the Norwegian Labour Party. It should be no surprise that several became notable politicians. This would also have been expected if there had been no mass shooting, so I do not see what could be viewed here as an "after-effect". --Lambiam 15:07, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
 * The shooter's intention was apparently to prevent a new generation of Labour politicians emerging. The fact that he failed is clearly notable, as is shown in the coverage Alansplodge linked to, above - and was the reason behind my original message. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 16:29, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Actually, there is already a paragraph in 2011_Norway_attacks#After-effects about the election of Wennesland to the 2013 parliament. I have added in the other three together with the ref linked above.
 * By the way, the use of the term "cadre" in this context seems at least inappropriate; perhaps "activist" might have been a better choice. Alansplodge (talk) 18:12, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I have created Category:Survivors of 2011 Norway attacks which I hope does the job. Alansplodge (talk) 18:31, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

This is ace. Thanks all, especially --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 17:26, 7 December 2020 (UTC)