Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Miscellaneous/2022 February 25

= February 25 =

Mall of America shooting
Would the 2021 Mall of America shooting be notable for its own article? Here are news articles and here is the Wikipedia entry. -- The Tips  of   Apmh  03:52, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * No. AndyTheGrump (talk) 03:55, 25 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Maybe it would have been, if there were fatalities. --←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 04:25, 25 February 2022 (UTC)


 * I wish I was joking, but there are so many shootings in the United States of Armaments nowadays that, unless something unusual happens, it falls afoul of WP:NOTNEWS. Clarityfiend (talk) 06:10, 25 February 2022 (UTC)


 * WP:PERSISTENCE is the relevant guidance here. To wit: "Events that are only covered in sources published during or immediately after an event, without further analysis or discussion, are likely not suitable for an encyclopedia article."  Which is to say, if the shooting itself becomes the subject of writing separated in time from when it happened (that is, are books and articles written about it months or years after it happened) then it is likely notable enough for a stand alone article.  If all of the reliable sources cover the event immediately after the event happened, and never again, then likely not.  -- Jayron 32 15:12, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Armored truck
This is about Hank the Tank, a 500 pound bear that has breaking into homes and raiding refrigerators here in California. People want to capture Hank and move him to a sanctuary, but that doesn't seem so easy. Hank apparently shrugs off tranquilizer darts, etc. I could imagine baiting the trailer part of a truck with a bathtub of rigatoni noodles and slamming the door once Hank clambered in, but he could probably claw his way right through the side. Question: would an armored truck work? They are probably strong enough to keep bears out, but they might not be designed to keep them *in*. Just wondering. 2601:648:8202:350:0:0:0:C115 (talk) 11:15, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * So, there's a bigger problem at play here. In capturing and transporting Hank to a different location, one needs to be concerned with more than just the integrity of the container holding Hank.  One also needs to be concerned with the integrity of Hank as well.  If it were as simple as just not having the bear invade homes, they would have just killed him by now.  Authorities are obviously interested in protecting Hank as well, and making sure he is safe.  Trapping a live, angry bear inside of a tight metallic space may contain him, but there is a very good chance that he may injure himself trying to escape, or because he is in a blind rage, or whatever.  We don't want that.  Unfortunately, Wikipedia's article Transportation of animals mostly covers livestock, zoo, and research animals.  But in general, safe transport of animals needs to take the welfare of the animal into account.  -- Jayron 32 15:08, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * There are different types or armor for different purposes. For example, we have separate articles for Armoured fighting vehicle, Armored car (military), Armored car (valuables), and Armored car (VIP). That last also touches on the various types and levels of armoring that are possible. I've only been skimming articles in response to this question, but it seems to me that some (most?) armoring is about making the vehicle simply bullet-proof, which is a very different attack vector than an angry bear. Other types of armoring are about withstanding bomb blasts and collisions, which is at least closer, though I don't know how well they'd sustain the equivalent of multiple bomb blasts from the inside. All that aside, it seems weird to me that they'd send in the the police when California has a functioning animal control service. Matt Deres (talk) 15:09, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I have seen bear trap trailers in Yosemite National Park and they are cylindrical in shape. Here is an article about one deployed in Reno which is not far from where this particular bear is breaking into people's homes. Cullen328 (talk) 16:24, 25 February 2022 (UTC)


 * See also: --2603:6081:1C00:1187:1C8F:910:778:CC3A (talk) 20:09, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks all. Latest update is that the CDFW is working on it, and that "Hank" turns out to be (at least) 3 separate bears. 2601:648:8202:350:0:0:0:C115 (talk) 21:07, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * In a raincoat? —Tamfang (talk) 01:48, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Or a duffel coat? Alansplodge (talk) 10:06, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Just like T. rex. --Lambiam 14:53, 2 March 2022 (UTC)