Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Miscellaneous/2022 November 19

= November 19 =

Multiple questions about an image
I just uploaded this image to Commons for future article use about Renoir's Lise. I found it on page 18 of Tintamarre-Salon: Exposition des beaux-arts de 1868 / dessins de Chassagnol neveu ; quatrains de John Stick, Maxime & Vabontrain. Several things about this I don't understand. 1) What was the purpose of this booklet? Is it related to the exposition catalogue of the Paris Salon of 1868?  2)  Who is Chassagnol? Was this person an illustrator? 3) Who is Vabontrain? This person appears to have authored the attached quatrain at the bottom of the image. 4)  The machine translation of the quatrain doesn't make any sense since it refers to Lise having blonde braids? Since she has brown hair in most depictions, am I translating "blondes tresses" incorrectly, or is there another altogether different context that I'm missing, and perhaps the poet is referring to the metaphorical blonde braids of some kind of goddess? Apologies for all the questions... Viriditas (talk) 02:01, 19 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Here's what I think. 1) It is like a catalogue of the works displayed at the 1868 Paris Salon,* but produced independently by Le Tintamarre. 2) Chassagnol neveu made the drawings, representing the works displayed. It appears that he was a regular illustrator for Le Tintamarre. 3) John Stick, Maxime and Vabontrain were three poets (or poetasters) who supplied the satirical quatrains commenting on the works. Perhaps they too were regular contributors to Le Tintamarre. "Vabontrain" was a pseudonym for the journalist Philippe Dubois. 4) The poet did not see the actual work but only the unflattering black-and-white depiction by Chassagnol neveu, and made a bad guess. (Blonde could also refer to a golden brown, but not to dark brown hair.) --Lambiam 07:09, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
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 * * The number 3848 for the drawing of the sculpture L'Amour captif in the booklet agrees with the number it had in the 1868 Paris Salon.

Does Ireland have Post Towns?
I've just been looking for a list of post towns in Ireland yet I can't find one.

All I've been able to find is this Postal addresses in the Republic of Ireland where I have no idea what it's talking about.

The article Post town claims that Ireland has post towns in the opening sentence, however I suspect that is incorrect.

The UK goes Neighbourhood/Village > Post Town/City > County

Whereas Ireland seems to go Neighbourhood/Village/Town/City > County Danstarr69 (talk) 13:44, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
 * The article 'Postal addresses in the Republic of Ireland' you linked above does mention post towns (3 times) and links to List of Eircode routing areas in Ireland, which lists them. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.217.47.60 (talk) 15:57, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Since the first sentence in Post town is cited to a Royal Mail publication from 2006, it can only be relevant to Northern Ireland, and not Eire.
 * UK local authorities and other property data users are able to structure property data using the BS7666 standard (not publicly available for free, but described here). According to this structure, every Basic Land and Property Unit (eg a house, though it can get far more complicated than that) has a UPRN (unique ID), and is linked to a Street by the street's USRN. The BLPU may also have a Post Town and a Post Code (if it is a delivery point). A Street, on the other hand, has an optional Locality, and a Town.
 * The BLPU inherits the Town from the Street it is on, but has its own Post Town, so the Post Town is not necessarily the same as the Town. The Post Town is the location of a Royal Mail depot or sorting office, and is therefore relevant for addressing mail. The Town is a more general geographical unit; there are more Towns than Post Towns. -- Verbarson talkedits 19:09, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Verbarson all of that code stuff went over my head.
 * And I know what a post town is as there's 7 post towns for my city, yet only 4 of them are actually part of the city, even though 3 of the 4 like to pretend they're independent places and most of the UK goes along with their fantasy.
 * I've been making a list of filming locations on and off for the last few years, and I quickly realised that using post towns is much better to get them in some sort of order, especially when it comes to small villages/neighbourhoods which are claimed by multiple authorities. However if a small village/neighbourhood is in a metropolitan city/borough, I use the metropolitan city/borough instead for places outside of the county and region of Greater London which Wikipedia and the world likes to pretend is a city. Danstarr69 (talk) 09:06, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

brothel on Gunkanjima / hashima
There is really low information about the brothel on the island. Before UNESCO has signed the island as an important piece of culture, south Korea and China was clearly against it because korean "comfort women" and Chinese "trostfrauen" had to work there. My questio would be - where did they work? Exactly in this brothel what was there on the island all the time? I saw this brothel marked on a map but i can't find the map anymore. Did this brothel was used before WW2? Or was this brothel marked on the map established after 1945? Is there any known price list for this brothel before and after 1945? If this island did and does belong to Mitsubishi does it mean everything on the island is property of Mitsubishi? Even this brothel? Asked by: --109.241.100.86 02:32, 19 November 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.241.100.86 (talk)
 * Edit: based on maps jt looks like that the brothel didn't changed it place it was before and after 1945 on the same place the question is only if it has been closed or if the Japanese where so.. ridiculous just emptying the forced women and bring regular prostitutes there to the working place and the customers used the place like nothing special happened. Because since today there is no excuse or any payment for these women --109.241.100.86 (talk) 06:02, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * If I remember it well, Gunkanjima was one of the most densely populated places on earth. Space being scarce must have influenced the location of the brothel and its possible changes. --Error (talk) 18:37, 22 November 2022 (UTC)