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= September 3 =

National identities by ethnicity in England (the last)
Hello. A new census was taken in 2021 (the last one at the moment), and the numbers have changed with the majority of people in England alone now tending to describe themselves as more British than English. However, there is no data on ethnic groups (whites etc.) with their national preferences. Has this 'ethnic' census ever been published along with the general census? If yes, where can I find it? I'll send you a link, and in this link are all the ethnic groups with their percentages on national identity, and it's from 2016 in conjunction with the Brexit referendum, maybe it was the last one I think. Again, I'm only referring to ethnic groups, I'm only interested in those. Thank you very much. https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/brexit-national-identity-and-ethnicity-in-the-referendum/ Andreoto (talk) 21:25, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't know of any publications, but you can get the data at this link. You'll need to know how to work a spreadsheet. It seems to me that no ethnic group describes themselves as more English than British. -- zzuuzz (talk) 22:28, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

In fact, the vast majority of whites tend to identify themselves as English, as this paper also points out, like the link above, but this pdf is from 2013. https://hummedia.manchester.ac.uk/institutes/code/briefingsupdated/who-feels-british.pdf
 * According to the data I just looked at and referenced above, that's not currently the case. Looking at only the 'UK'-whites group, which is the most English of the lot, I see 55% British only, and 20% English only. But that's back-of-the-envelope and approximate and I may well be wrong. With changing methodologies and this type of research question, making comparisons over time is always going to be problematic. -- zzuuzz (talk) 23:14, 3 September 2023 (UTC)


 * See also this recent RefDesk thread which suggested that there is some connection between English nationalism and right wing and/or racist opions - see:
 * Nationalism, racism, and identity: what connects Englishness to a preference for hard Brexit?
 * Alansplodge (talk) 10:55, 4 September 2023 (UTC)


 * And to more directly answer the OP's question:
 * ....for ethnic minority participants, Englishness was clearly associated with race or colour (white). Surprisingly, this was not true of either Welsh or Scottish identity, both of which were seen as potentially inclusive and open to diversity.
 * Citizenship and Belonging: what is Britishness?, The Commission for Racial Equality (CRE), 2005.
 * Alansplodge (talk) 11:06, 4 September 2023 (UTC)