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= May 2 =

What is the most notable Chinese knockoff of Lucky Charms?
I mean specifically something that originated from China which is very similar to Lucky Charms, and is as of 2024 not illegal to trade in China. Oh and if that cereal has a wikipedia article on the English wikipedia I would appreciate it if you link it to me so I can read about it. Thank you. Blaze The Movie Fan (talk) 19:01, 2 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Courtesy link: Lucky Charms —Tamfang (talk) 23:53, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * This is an odd question because China is not known for cereal or for a culture of eating cereal. Do you mean a different Asian country perhaps? Viriditas (talk) 23:57, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * No I mean China specifically. Blaze The Movie Fan (talk) 01:20, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm trying to picture a Chinese leprechaun. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:29, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The reactionary running dogs are after me Lucky Charms! They're communistically delicious. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:06, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * They have the Mandate of Heaven! —Tamfang (talk) 17:12, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Look I don't mean to be a dick but I want serious legit answers, not jokes. Unless these are serious answers of actual products in China, and if so can someone link me to a WP article talking about either a specific cereal or cereals in general? Blaze The Movie Fan (talk) 20:19, 4 May 2024 (UTC)


 * This website contains a listing of almost every known marshmallow cereal, so that should keep you busy for a while. I couldn't find anything in China, but I did find something within the same style in Korea made by Post (they are a version of "Mega Stuf Oreo O's"). Japan (and Norway and Austria) banned Lucky Charms due to its use of additives, and for several reasons, it doesn't look like the Chinese market is fond of cold breakfast cereals with marshmallows.  However, and I think this is where you will find it if it exists, PepsiCo Quaker Oats Company has the majority (<20%) cold cereal market share in China, and they do manufacture several different Lucky Charm-like cereals.  But, I could find no evidence that Quaker sells them in China.  Given the Japanese ban and the closest knockoff being found only in Korea, it doesn't look good. Keep in mind, you could conceivably make your own cereal using oats and dried marshmallows.  In fact, I think this is entirely reasonable.  Foshan City Nanhai District Songgang Suifa Food Co., Ltd. makes similar dried marshmallow in bulk and will ship anywhere in China.  If you cut them in half and add them to any cold oat cereal, it will probably taste the same as Lucky Charms.  If you read the first link in this comment, this was how marshmallow cereal was invented, so you can just duplicate it yourself. "According to cereal mascot expert Topher Ellis, the very first marbit (marshmallow bits cereal) was developed in 1963 by a General Mills Vice President named John Holahan. Holahan got the idea after he chopped up some marshmallow Circus Peanuts and stirred them into a bowl of Cheerios. The first cereal to contain marbits was Lucky Charms."  So just get yourself some Cheerios or Cheerios-like cereal (some versions of Cheerios-like cereals are imported from Thailand to China) and add chopped up marshmallow.  Problem solved. Viriditas (talk) 20:52, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

What is the term for conscious awareness of the body?
I'm asking this question because I keep reading and hearing about this topic, yet I've never once seen anyone describe it with an appropriate clinical name, although I'm sure one exists, and I would be curious if we have an article about it here on Wikipedia. To backup a bit with an example of what I'm talking about, I was just reading about the untimely death of film editor Sally Menke in 2010. She unknowingly decided to go hiking on the warmest day of the year in September, in Los Angeles, and sadly died from complications related to hyperthermia. She had a hiking buddy at the time who realized that the weather was too warm and turned back, but Menke decided to keep going, which is thought to have led to her death.

I bring this up as an example because it's apparently quite common, in the sense that you have two people in the same environment, one who doesn't seem to be aware of the interaction between the outside climatic conditions and their body, and the existential risk this poses, and yet another person, who recognizes the risk and makes adjustments and changes to mitigate the problem and improve one's health. In this respect, I recently heard an interview with someone who survived a close brush with death, and they told the interviewer a variation on this theme that changed their perspective, and I paraphrase: "I finally became cognizant of the relationship between my mind and body." In other words, they were forced to change the way they understood their relationship with the world, as not just a mind in a body, but the synthesis of the two, allowing them to function better in the world.

My understanding is that many people have this disconnect between their minds and bodies, whether it is being aware of the dangers of hiking in high temperatures, swimming in the ocean during rough conditions, or simply not wearing sunscreen on a sunny day. One of the more common examples is someone who has a very intellectually-demanding career that eats poorly, or drinks and smokes to the point of harming themselves. What is this conscious awareness called, one that tells people "hey, don't do x, because it could harm you", that some people simply don't have or don't develop until much later? Viriditas (talk) 20:03, 2 May 2024 (UTC)


 * I think a mindset of personal Exceptionalism can be in play. I sometimes detect this in myself in less-than-life-threatening circumstances – "Hey, this situation does X to most people, but I can probably get away with it this once."
 * Another factor may be that some people are just not good at interpreting internal physical sensations and relating them to their own well- (or ill-) being.
 * There may be established terms for these factors. Anyone? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 188.220.144.58 (talk) 05:27, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Another factor may be that some people are just not good at interpreting internal physical sensations and relating them to their own well- (or ill-) being.
 * Yes! That’s exactly what I’m getting at. Viriditas (talk) 06:33, 3 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Eating poorly, drinking, and smoking give people direct, almost immediate pleasure, so they experience positive internal physical sensations. Donuts do taste good, even while they're killing you. There is (a kind of) logic in doing those things. Can't really say the same thing for continuing hiking in what must have been unpleasant conditions. I'm not sure that eating poorly, drinking, and smoking are good analogies. And no, I don't have a name for that behaviour. Sorry. HiLo48 (talk) 07:43, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Some health-impairing conditions, including hyperthermia, may cloud one's judgement. Someone in a sound mind may furthermore not be fully aware of the gravity of the situation because they do not know or do not recognize the risks. --Lambiam 14:31, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * "hey, don't do x, because it could harm you" is often called situation awareness. Modocc (talk) 16:50, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The definition given in our article Situation awareness is in a sense more general, but is about knowledge. While important for effective decision making, the objective of the decisions need not be the avoidance of harm to oneself. --Lambiam 20:17, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Of course and per the article there are plenty of examples of the term being used regarding rational objectives like combat and survival situations. YMMV. Modocc (talk) 21:14, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I can see some overlap, but one major difference I see is that SA is often used in the context of achieving conflict supremacy over the enemy. I think what I'm talking about is much more personal and in terms of the survival of the individual.  Although HiLo48 says I'm having a bad analogy day, I've seen this kind of thing also play out when I talk to people about climate change, specifically people who are on the far right.  For example, it is well established that the regions in the US that are most at risk for sea level rise have the highest number of climate deniers (Galveston, Grande Isle, Mobile, Myrtle Beach, Savannah, Daytona Beach, Miami).  I would assume that given the threat, these areas would have the lowest number of climate deniers, but it appears that they are more engaged in denying reality than in accepting and mitigating it.  I'm sure HiLo48 is pulling his hair out over this tortured analogy (rightfully so), but I see something similar with people who go hiking in 113°F (45°C) weather, decide to swim in an ocean during a hurricane, or don't wear sunscreen on the summer solstice.  My question is given two people, why does one person accept the reality while another denies it? Viriditas (talk) 21:25, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Pulling one's hair out may also be a sign of a mind–body disconnect. --Lambiam 10:47, 4 May 2024 (UTC)}
 * If a medal, on both sides will be able to be read as > Chain of Fools! (per Conformity but heat is not in itself a symptom for when Sally Menke's buddy decided returning )  My first thought was we would have to be looking for a derivate of quale ( with the first quotation there, so nice ) following Self-Awareness possibly a Social construct. Wiktionary, however is also giving access to sensitivity. Sensibility? --Askedonty (talk) 17:51, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I think you're on to something. I myself have been accused of being an HSP, to often extreme levels.  I will pursue this line of inquiry. Viriditas (talk) 22:10, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I have been called similar to that, true. I think it was merely coincidental or I prefer to think about it this way. But how do you wonder the why one person agrees and the other doesn't? If they are interacting, they need to singularize most often don't they? The one who knows is the cause for the other keeping on trying the other way. Remove one, the second will be looking for an other potential challenger, well kept fresh in the back of his/her mind. Sometimes that last might not exist - it would reveal itself to be only an ugly name, death, maybe, deception. --Askedonty (talk) 22:59, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, excellent point. I will spend time thinking about this.  My first thought is that given the above, they are processing the same experience differently. For example, I dislike being in loud, crowded environments like a busy restaurant because I can’t hear the person next to me, and I can’t carry on a conversation.  There is some research (?) that indicates this is a function of age. Younger people may not mind loud, noisy dinner environments as much as older ones.  What if, in the original example, Menke and her hiking buddy were of different ages? Viriditas (talk) 23:02, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Certainly good point as well. I just can say I do not see in town the case the who knows also knows he knows and is interested to be usefull to me. I read about it in the literature. I guess it must be about building oneself an idol of it somehow. --Askedonty (talk) 00:01, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Note, I wonder if anything about the cocktail party effect is applicable here. Viriditas (talk) 23:10, 3 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Proprioception? -- Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  21:48, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thermoception, including of the internal body temperature, is generally not considered a sensory modality of proprioception. Moreover, like thermoception, proprioception need not involve awareness; it can be nonconscious. --Lambiam 08:37, 5 May 2024 (UTC)