Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Science/2019 May 29

= May 29 =

Space_diving
This article contradicts itself. It says that Space Diving is jumping from 100 km and then all the examples it mentions are way below 100 km. I think the article should be renamed "High altitude diving" because it is what it is about. This article is not about outer space diving. What are your thoughts on it? 58.187.21.81 (talk) 04:56, 29 May 2019 (UTC)


 * You make a valid point but this is not the place to discuss the article. It is more appropriate to make your comments and suggestions on the talk page of Space Diving and see what response you get. On superficial examination I think you may be assuming the internationally accepted height for the beginning of space is the point of jumping. The article makes it clear that no-one has successfully jumped from this height. Good luck. Richard Avery (talk) 07:22, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 * The article only gives some examples of high altitude jumps without asserting that they are space jumps. There also exists High-altitude_military_parachuting. Ruslik_ Zero 07:53, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 * For clarity the OP has already modified the wording of the article which may cause some confusion about their comment [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Space_diving&diff=899303715&oldid=893764901]. As mention by Richard Avery, there's nothing wrong with editing an article for clarity based on reliable sources, or of discussing article content and titles, but that should be done somewhere appropriate like the article talk page, not here. Nil Einne (talk) 10:02, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Agreed. But, to be fair, the talk page appears moribund. I thought there was a way to determine the number of watchers a page has, but I must be blanking on how to find that. I assumed it was sitting at the top of page history somewhere, but perhaps it's been moved or deprecated. Matt Deres (talk) 13:50, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I'll have to look it up, but I think the number of watchers is ONLY available to users with advanced permissions (admins, stewards, something like that) because that knowledge is too useful for trolls and others who wish to abuse Wikipedia. -- Jayron 32 15:07, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Nope, it's public information. I was mistaken.  Click the "page information" link on the left toolbar on any page.  -- Jayron 32 15:10, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 * There are also lists of pages with no/few watchers (vs number of watchers for a specified page), but these lists are are restricted-access for the vandal-hitlist reasons you note. DMacks (talk) 16:03, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Ah, thank you. It's been moved then. I think that below 25 or something, it gave some indefinite answer rather than an actual number, for the reasons you note. Like "Fewer than 25 watchers". Matt Deres (talk) 15:28, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Duh, I should probably check this stuff first. The limit seems to be 30. Below that it says "Fewer than 30 watchers". Matt Deres (talk) 15:29, 30 May 2019 (UTC)